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Author Topic: Arms Race - 1784: British Loyalist Design Phase  (Read 12704 times)

Taricus

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Re: Arms Race - 1783: British Loyalist Revision Phase
« Reply #60 on: January 02, 2016, 11:36:12 am »

And we'll have a hell of a head start developing those too :P
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« Reply #61 on: January 02, 2016, 12:39:24 pm »

So, do we get that revision credit, and if so, do we get it now, or later?

Imperial Rifle Mk. I Mod AA

An attempt at improving our rifle, by giving it a reinforced and improved breach. In addition, attempts are made to make mass manufacture of the rifling easier.

+1 to this. If we DO get revision credit, then I say we also try to cheapen and simplify percussion cap and ammo manufacture.
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Re: Arms Race - 1783: British Loyalist Revision Phase
« Reply #62 on: January 02, 2016, 12:57:38 pm »

Alright guys, you have received the revision credit.
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« Reply #63 on: January 02, 2016, 01:04:11 pm »

Alright guys, you have received the revision credit.

In that case, yeah I say we double down on the rifle and make the mk. 2:
Imperial Rifle Mk. 2: Burn both the revision credit and revision for this. Not only attempt to strengthen and simplify the breach(making it cheaper and more reliable) as well as making the rifling simpler to manufacutre, but also simplify and cheapen ammo and percussion cap manufacturing.
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This fort really does sit on the event horizon of madness and catastrophe
No. I suppose there are similarities, but I'm fairly certain angry birds doesn't let me charge into a battalion of knights with a car made of circular saws.

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Re: Arms Race - 1783: British Loyalist Revision Phase
« Reply #64 on: January 02, 2016, 01:28:41 pm »

The ammo is already cheaper. That was a result of last revision.

I propose we do our revisions in series. Ie, keep the current revision in reserve and see what the results are, before we commit the second revision.

I mean, in a previous actions, the Monarchy changed the Mullard from this

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Am-MulardA - A steamship 115 feet by 23 feet large that carries three fixed guns to the front of the ship, one on each side and one forwards.  Its power comes not from sails, but from a steam engine specially designed for it that uses a network of pistons, gears, and a flywheel to provide force to the twin paddle wheels.  The engine winds up failing from time to time due to the many cuts to bring it to the minimum required to not have it be too heavy to sink the boat.  The wood frame is light and as a result can be sunk fairly easily.  The paddles and required shape causes it to perform poorly with even minor waves, so it needs to stick to rivers and the inland lake. (National Effort)

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Am-Mulard:B - A steamship 115 feet by 23 feet large, this ship has an improved engine that provides force to the twin paddle wheels. The new engine neither suffers from the failure inducing shortcuts of its predecessor, nor the weight concerns. The hull has also been improved, bringing it up to par with the other warships of the Isles with regards to damage resistance and sea worthiness. Combining this with the addition of two small sails (at the fore and mizzen), this ship is no longer restricted to calm, still water. The ship carries 20 6lb guns, 10 aside, with two stern chaser ports cut to allow guns to be moved there. (4 ore, 1 wood, 0 coal)

So I don't think it's that unlikely that we can fully fix our gun in a single revision.
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Re: Arms Race - 1783: British Loyalist Revision Phase
« Reply #65 on: January 02, 2016, 01:45:51 pm »

Good point. Then I support the Mod. AA revision with the credit, and hold off on seeing what happens with that before we commit our full revision.
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This fort really does sit on the event horizon of madness and catastrophe
No. I suppose there are similarities, but I'm fairly certain angry birds doesn't let me charge into a battalion of knights with a car made of circular saws.

Taricus

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« Reply #66 on: January 02, 2016, 01:54:35 pm »

The ammo of the last revision reverted back to musketballs, which is pretty suboptimal. Any revisions to improve the rifle sould be aimed at the percussion cap model.
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Re: Arms Race - 1783: British Loyalist Revision Phase
« Reply #67 on: January 02, 2016, 02:08:59 pm »

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Re: Arms Race - 1783: British Loyalist Revision Phase
« Reply #68 on: January 04, 2016, 05:29:14 am »

Revision credit consumed.

Quote from: Imperial Rifle Mk. I Mod AA
This rifle consists of a 760mm, 16mm-calibre rifled barrel in which seven grooves are cut. It uses a soft-lead ball which will expand on being fired, grip the grooves and clean them of blackpowder residue. The rear of the stock features a section that, when a side-mounted knob on the breachblock is rotated the rearmost section of the barrel pops out, allowing the loading from its paper cartridge. The breackblock is more durable than in its predecessor, but still sticks on occasion. The skilful application of a technical knock solves this in the vast majority of cases however. The rifle attempted to be primed with caps containing a shock-sensitive explosives, but the only suitable shock-explosives the engineers were able to successfully use consistently without high volatility was highly expensive to get ahold of.  The effective range of the rifle is 300 meters in the hands of a sniper and 200 meters in the hands of a regular soldier. (1 ore, Complex x2)

Techs used:
Rifling [complex]
Percussion Caps [complex]
Breachblock
16mm soft lead shells

This rifle is cursed. You are getting there though.
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Re: Arms Race - 1783: British Loyalist Revision Phase
« Reply #69 on: January 04, 2016, 06:15:42 am »

Well, at least it didn't get worse.
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Re: Arms Race - 1783: British Loyalist Revision Phase
« Reply #70 on: January 04, 2016, 06:20:50 am »

 We can hand them out to one dude per unit at this point, right?

 What about arguably special units, like shipboard marines?
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Re: Arms Race - 1783: British Loyalist Revision Phase
« Reply #71 on: January 04, 2016, 06:30:06 am »

It's as good now without production phase bonus as it was last turn with it. And then it was noted as ineffective due to shortage.
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Re: Arms Race - 1783: British Loyalist Revision Phase
« Reply #72 on: January 04, 2016, 06:32:04 am »

 Ahwell. Was worth a shot.
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Re: Arms Race - 1783: British Loyalist Revision Phase
« Reply #73 on: January 04, 2016, 07:08:19 am »

The weapon was useful, but it's rarity compared with the mini cannons and Victorias meant it didn't have enough of an effect.
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Re: Arms Race - 1783: British Loyalist Revision Phase
« Reply #74 on: January 04, 2016, 07:32:41 am »

That being said, the mod B rifle is now only expensive as well thanks to the breachblock being reduced in complexity. We fix the rifling on the Mod. AA now and succeed, and we're going to have our entire forces armed with rifles.
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