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[Sheb]

Well, the thing is if anyone in the mainland focus on naval techs too much, they're going to get wrecked by the other. Meaning the Loyalists in effect got to control the sea easily, giving them bonuses in trade and a safe rear at the cost of being a bit behind on the land front for the moment.

[10ebbor10]

Yes, that's my point about this being a problem.

We have the seas, which means that for you guys trade might as well not exist. Meanwhile, you have the land combat, which means that we can go twiddling our thumbs.

[Sheb]

Well, re: trade Kashyyk mentioned that fast trade ships could still run the blockade. As for the land, you've failed one serious landing attempt so far. Against us, at a time where we had the upper hand on land. As the game progress and you have less need to invest in the navy, your relative disadvantage will diminish.

Frankly, your position ain't bad, it's just that you front-loaded investment in the navy, so you need to catch back on land warfare now. It'll be interesting to see how the ressources thing work for you when you need to bring them back to your island.

[10ebbor10]

Well, no not really. Because you're forgetting now that we're handicapped in resources. We can only get 2. As the game lengthens, our relative disadvantage will only grow.

[Kot]

Well, if the GM sees that we're dragging behind he could... I dunno, send us help (resources? technology? soldiers) to make things fair, because RULE BRITTANIA, BRITTANIA RULE THE WAVES. Kind of desu-ex-machina, but this would solve both the salt (why we aren't getting an huge invasion armada to wreck the two other factions, hurr durr?!) and that we're handicapped.

[Sheb]

My understanding was that you could get 3 (1 starting and 2 extras?), plus whatever you get in trade or piracy. Not much of a disadvantage, apart from ships no one is going to be fielding really expensive land stuff anyway.

Kot: The issue is "are you really handicapped"? I mean, why should your side get help when doing badly and not ours??

[Kot]

I don't know really, for now it seems we're stuck on our little 2/3 resource island forever, but then it might be because turns take so freaking long to complete. I don't want to complain, but you know, I kinda remember it was a bit faster with Sensei. :X
But, on the rails again - I guess we'll see. If we start to lose really badly due to our resource limit then, as I said, I guess the GM could do something to save our asses but then I don't really think that will be required because good luck getting through all the ships.

[Sheb]

In any case, you have plenty of resources. All personal weapons are at one ore, and only the 12-pdr are 3 ore so far. Which mean that even yours is just "expensive", fine for artillery. It's the 1780's, so no one is going to be fielding tanks any time son.

The one area where you might end up at a disadvantage is the sea, but then we're still too busy fighting each other to start mass producing resources just to gain sea space. That gives you a large window of time to get your act together and land, at which point you can play the resource game too. Sure, if one of use manage to occupy the whole bigger island you're toast, but then that's ok.

The fact that your rear is secure and you have power projection actually gives you nice strategic possibilities. Do you strike the strongest of the land power to try to keep us balanced, or do you strike the weaker to get some land, at the risk of creating a behemoth?

[Kashyyk]

I've been thinking about the resource thing and I've come to a decision. Each city contributes to the resource cap (2 on the decisions :plarge Island, 1 on the small). The various logistics techs allow you to gather resources up to that limit as normal. There will also be lots of trade opportunities,  and thus lots of resources to pirate. I feel this makes it fair. Doing anything involving the Empire as a military presence,  whilst thematically appropriate,  is going to be imbalanced.

Also yes, Sensei's game ran faster. But we have over twice the phases and it feels like you guys are taking ages to make your decisions 

[Sheb]

If one side take a city on another island, will the ressources travel by sea? Can they be pirated?

[Kot]

Are you implying you will ever get any power on the sea that will allow you to "pirate" resources from us? :p

[Sheb]

Nah, I'm implying that you might try to resort to piracy to prevent us from making full use of the cities of yours we will conquer.

[Kot]

Which means you're implying you will ever get enough naval power to actually conquer one of our cities. Bollocks.

[Sheb]

What? A yes... Naval power... That's totally how we're going to invade you.

*Tries to hide the massive steam tunnel digger being assembled*

[Kot]

Are you implying we're not all racing to make airforce consisting of hot air balloons because Sensei said he is going to join the faction who makes them first?