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[Funk]

Funk, you are bringing a PKM, right?

Two PKM's one for the Vodnik and one for me.
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Also, @Funk: Did you decide on taking 7.62mm L or 7.62mm N ammo?

Im takeing 7.62mm L ammo, it makes more sense for me to have Glorious weapons of mother land! Warsaw-pact ammo and weapons.

Spoiler: Basic Equipment (Free), 59.05 kg (click to show/hide)

-Fatigues 4kg
-Steel Helmet 1kg
-Pack 2kg
-Shelter Half 1kg
-Combat Webbing 2kg
-Gas Mask 1kg
-Flak Jacket 8kg
-Sleeping Bag 4kg
-Flashlight 0.2kg
-Personal Medical Kit 0.2kg
-Thermal Fatigues 6kg

- bayonet, 0.25 kg
- PKM (personal weapon) 10kg
- six 50 round belts of 7.62mm L ammunition 9 kg
- 180 additional rounds of  7.62mm L ammunition 5.4kg
- 6 frag grenades, 3 kg
- 2 smoke grenades 2 kg

Spoiler: Additional Personal Equipment, 4kg, $1100 (click to show/hide)

- 4x Binoculars 0.5 kg $100
- IR Goggles 0.5 kg $250
- Geiger Counter 0.5 kg $500
- Radio 0.5km 0.5 kg $250

Spoiler: Additional weapons, 25.75 kg, 3,605 (click to show/hide)

Knife  0.25 kg Price: $5
Machete: 1.5 kg Price: $50

VZ-65 Skorpion, Machine Pistol
ROF Damage Pen Bulk SS Burst Range
 5        1       Nil 2/3    2    5      16
Ammo: 9mm M
Wt: 1.45 kg Price: $250

PKM, Machinegun (yes a second one)
Weapon ROF Dam Pen   Blk Mag  SS Brst Rng
  PK        5     4  2-3-Nil 6   50B   2   5    65
bipod      5     4  2-3-Nil 6   50B   1   3    90
Ammo: 7.62mm L
Wt: 10 kg Price: $2000

Semiautomatic Shotgun
Weapon   ROF Dam Pen     Blk Mag SS Brst Rng
Semiauto SA     4  3-4-Nil   5    5i   3    —   40
Ammo: 12 gauge
Wt :4 kg Price: $300

RPG-16, rocket launcher
Type   ROF Rid Rng Round Damage   Pen
RPG-16 1    2  100  HEAT  C:6, B:5   65C
Ammo: 58.3mm HEAT rockets
Wt: 10 kg Price: $1000

Spoiler: Ammo stocks, 1,365kg $7,790 (click to show/hide)

---------Ammo stocks----------

Ammo: 9mm M (9x18mm Makarov)
7,500 rounds, 5 cases 75kg $1000

Ammo: 7.62mm L (7.62x54mmR Long)
36,600 rounds, 61 cases 915 kg  $4,270

Ammo: 12 gauge
2400 rounds, 10 case 150kg $1,000

Ammo: 58.3mm HEAT rockets
24 rounds, 8 cases 80kg $1,000

--------Hand Grenades--------

Fragmentation
120, 120kg $400

Antitank
15, 25 kg $120

Spoiler: Tools, 78kg $1500 (click to show/hide)

Basic Tool Kit
Wt: 5 kg.
Price: $200

Small Arms Tools
Wt:5kg. Price: $200

Excavating Tools
Wt:20kg. Price: $300

Construction Tools
Wt:30kg. Price: $500

Wire, Trip
2x500m Spool Wt: 4 kg $20

20-Liter Jerrycan
Wt: 1 kg (empty). Price: $25 each
12, 12kg $300

Spoiler: Food, 250kg, $1000 (click to show/hide)

Food, Domestic: Price: $4 per kg, 2kg day
125 days worth, 250kg,  $1000

Cash left $5

[Aseaheru]

 A minigun? More tools? ATGM and rounds? Mortar and rounds? Portable machine shop? Rifle grenades? Radios for groups outside of vehicles? NBC gear? Some mags for Funk's Skorpion? Extra 5.56? Something interesting from that website?
 
 There are many things.

 Speaking of things, Funk, you know you apparently forgot to buy mags for the Skorpion, right? Lessee... Well, first off, nothing is listed for the VZ65, I assume that yours is the VZ-82... mags of 10 and 20, thats $3 and $7, respectively.

[3_14159]

Updated for more ammo

Spoiler: Basic Equipment (Free) 26.6kg (click to show/hide)

Fatigues, 4kg
Steel Helmet
Pack, 2kg
Shelter Half, 1kg
Gas Mask, 1kg
Combat Webbing, 2kg

Bayonet 0.25kg, $20
L42 sniper rifle, 4kg
    BA, 4d6 damage, 2-3-Nil penetration, Blk 5, Mag 5, SS 4, Range 75 (90 with scope)
    6x10 shot magazines, 0.375kg each, 2.25kg
    180 rounds, 4.5kg

HP-35 pistol, 1kg
    SA, 1d6 damage, Pen Nil, Blk 1, Mag 13, SS 2, Range 12
    +3 13-round 9mm P magazines, 0.2kg
   
Frag Grenade, 6x. 0.5kg each, 3kg total, Free.
Smoke Grenades, 2x. 0.5kg each, 1kg total, Free

Spoiler: Additional Personal Equipment, 19.7kg, $2,820 (click to show/hide)

Kevlar Vest, 4kg, $800
Kevlar Helmet, 0.5kg, $100

25x Image Intensifier, 1kg, $1,250
4x Binoculars, 0.5kg, $100
IR Goggles, 0.5kg, $250

Flashlight, 0.2kg, $20
Sleeping Bag, 4kg, $50
Thermal Fatigues, 6kg, $100
Parka, 3kg, $150

Spoiler: General Equipment (bought by me), 2,416.5kg, $9,970 (click to show/hide)

Medium Still, 2t, $2500
    80kg to 35l per day
    Moves convoy for one 4h period (208/82km) every 10 days.
    Load onto two trailers.

1.5kW generator, 50kg, $200
    2l/4h period

Field Cooker, Military 250kg, $1000
   
Wheeled Vehicles Tools, 10kg, $500

Freezer, Small, 20kg, $100
    0.12kw per period or vehicle battery

Electrical Repair Tools, 3kg, $500

Electronic Repair Tools, 3kg, $1000

Lockpick Tools, 0.5kg, $20

2x 13km Vehicle Radio, 15kgx2, $1500x2

10-Man Tent, 35kg, $250

3x Pointer Drone, 5kg, $300

Spoiler: Additional Weapons, 40kg, $5,000 (click to show/hide)

M60 Machine Gun, 10kg, $1,500 x 2
    RoF 5, Dam 4, Pen 2-3-Nil, 6Blk, 100B magazine, SS1. Brst 4/2/1, Range 65/90/125 no/bipod/tripod (for the vehicles)
   
L42 7.62mm sniper rifle x 5, total 20kg, $2,000

Spoiler: Additional Ammunition, 930kg, $4,350 (click to show/hide)

Ammo: 9mm P (9x19mm Parabellum)
3,000 rounds, 2 cases, 30kg, $450


Ammo: 7.62mm N (7.62x51mm Nato)
36,000 rounds, 60 cases, $3900, 900kg

This added another 600kg and $2600 of equipment.

A minigun? More tools? ATGM and rounds? Mortar and rounds? Portable machine shop? Rifle grenades? Radios for groups outside of vehicles? NBC gear? Some mags for Funk's Skorpion? Extra 5.56? Something interesting from that website?

A minigun runs through ammo too fast for my taste; we've got one of every tool. Can't use ATGM well, but it might be an idea. Mortar, too. The portable machine shop would be really nice, but without a third vehicle we can't make it fit. Radios are nice; I have one and thought everyone did, too.

How about we buy a third vehicle to tow the machine shop and get even more ammo?

[Aseaheru]

Wow. four M60x, plus the two PKMs... And six sniper rifles? For seven people?

[Funk]

Wow. four M60x, plus the two PKMs... And six sniper rifles? For seven people?

and an RPG16, a Shotgun...

A minigun runs through ammo too fast for my taste; we've got one of every tool. Can't use ATGM well, but it might be an idea. Mortar, too. The portable machine shop would be really nice, but without a third vehicle we can't make it fit. Radios are nice; I have one and thought everyone did, too.

How about we buy a third vehicle to tow the machine shop and get even more ammo?

Can we even afford the Portable machine shop?
Lets get some more explosives, Chemical Defense Suits (one each) Radios both Vehicle and a Manpack.

Are we missing any tools? what about a Arc Welder?
A heavy weapon is a good idea, so a machine gun or a mortar/ grenade launcher, maybe even a ZU-23-2 mounted on a technical.

Of course the more weapons we have the more likey it is that we have to run from some body.

Speaking of things, Funk, you know you apparently forgot to buy mags for the Skorpion, right? Lessee... Well, first off, nothing is listed for the VZ65, I assume that yours is the VZ-82... mags of 10 and 20, thats $3 and $7, respectively.

Skorpion Variants the Vz 65 is the first 9x18mm model, the Vz82 is the later model, but the changes are not important here.
Like wise it's different magazine capacity (12, 24 or 30) is not important or we end up arguing.

I've taken less ammo in return for some magazines.

Cash left $5

Spoiler: Basic Equipment (Free), 59.05 kg (click to show/hide)

-Cash $5

-Fatigues 4kg
-Steel Helmet 1kg
-Pack 2kg
-Shelter Half 1kg
-Combat Webbing 2kg
-Gas Mask 1kg
-Flak Jacket 8kg
-Sleeping Bag 4kg
-Flashlight 0.2kg
-Personal Medical Kit 0.2kg
-Thermal Fatigues 6kg

- bayonet, 0.25 kg
- PKM (personal weapon) 10kg
- six 50 round belts of 7.62mm L ammunition 9 kg
- 180 additional rounds of  7.62mm L ammunition 5.4kg
- 6 frag grenades, 3 kg
- 2 smoke grenades 2 kg

Spoiler: Additional Personal Equipment, 4kg, $1100 (click to show/hide)

- 4x Binoculars 0.5 kg $100
- IR Goggles 0.5 kg $250
- Geiger Counter 0.5 kg $500
- Radio 0.5km 0.5 kg $250

Spoiler: Additional weapons, 25.75 kg, $3,675 (click to show/hide)

Knife  0.25 kg Price: $5
Machete: 1.5 kg Price: $50

VZ-82 Skorpion, Machine Pistol
ROF Damage Pen Bulk SS Burst Range
 5        1       Nil 2/3    2    5      16
Ammo: 9mm M
Wt: 1.45 kg Price: $250

Magazines
10 20 round Magazines.
PKM, Machinegun (yes a second one)
Weapon ROF Dam Pen   Blk Mag  SS Brst Rng
  PK        5     4  2-3-Nil 6   50B   2   5    65
bipod      5     4  2-3-Nil 6   50B   1   3    90
Ammo: 7.62mm L
Wt: 10 kg Price: $2000

Semiautomatic Shotgun
Weapon   ROF Dam Pen     Blk Mag SS Brst Rng
Semiauto SA     4  3-4-Nil   5    5i   3    —   40
Ammo: 12 gauge
Wt :4 kg Price: $300

RPG-16, rocket launcher
Type   ROF Rid Rng Round Damage   Pen
RPG-16 1    2  100  HEAT  C:6, B:5   65C
Ammo: 58.3mm HEAT rockets
Wt: 10 kg Price: $1000

Spoiler: Ammo stocks, 1,350kg $7,720 (click to show/hide)

---------Ammo stocks----------

Ammo: 9mm M (9x18mm Makarov)
7,500 rounds, 5 cases 75kg $1000

Ammo: 7.62mm L (7.62x54mmR Long)
36,000 rounds, 60 cases 900 kg  $4,200

Ammo: 12 gauge
2400 rounds, 10 case 150kg $1,000

Ammo: 58.3mm HEAT rockets
24 rounds, 8 cases 80kg $1,000

--------Hand Grenades--------

Fragmentation
120, 120kg $400

Antitank
15, 25 kg $120

Spoiler: Tools, 78kg $1500 (click to show/hide)

Basic Tool Kit
Wt: 5 kg.
Price: $200

Small Arms Tools
Wt:5kg. Price: $200

Excavating Tools
Wt:20kg. Price: $300

Construction Tools
Wt:30kg. Price: $500

Wire, Trip
2x500m Spool Wt: 4 kg $20

20-Liter Jerrycan
Wt: 1 kg (empty). Price: $25 each
12, 12kg $300

Spoiler: Food, 250kg, $1000 (click to show/hide)

Food, Domestic: Price: $4 per kg, 2kg day
125 days worth, 250kg,  $1000

Cash left $5

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[StrawBarrel]

Wallace Gordon's Stuff: Spent: $9655.99 | Left: $5344.01

Spoiler: Basic Kit, 61.74 (click to show/hide)

-Fatigues 4kg
-Kevlar Helmet 0.5kg
-Pack 2kg
-Shelter Half 1kg
-Combat Webbing 2kg
-Gas Mask 1kg
-Kevlar Vest 4kg
-Sleeping Bag 4kg
-Flashlight 0.2kg
-Personal Medical Kit 0.2kg
-Thermal Fatigues 6kg
-Bayonet 0.25
-M60 10kg
-x6 7.62mm N 100-round belt (3kg each) 18kg
-x6 Frag Grenades (each 0.5kg) 3kg
-x2 Smoke Grenades (each 0.5kg) 1kg
-x180 loose 7.62mm N rounds (each 25.5g) 4.59kg

Spoiler: Weapons, 13.44kg, $410.99 (click to show/hide)

-NLT (NATO Light Tripod) 7kg $200
-Ruger Mark II Suppressed 1.15kg $181
-x3 .22LR 10-round magazine (each 1.43kg, $3.33) 4.29kg $9.99
Hatchet 1kg $20

Spoiler: Combat Engineering, 453kg, $6455 (click to show/hide)

Engineer Demolitions Kit 30kg $750
-Case of 100 0.25kg dynamite sticks 30kg $750
-Case of 20 1kg plastic explosive blocks 30kg $650
-x4 Antipersonnel Mines(M16A1AP mine) (each 20kg) 80kg $200
-x2 Antitank Mines(M19 AT mine) (each 35kg) 70kg $200
-Case of 6 Directional Mines(M18 Claymore) (each 2kg) 12kg $800
x5 Trip Flare Mines(each 1kg $15) 5kg $75
x2 Trip Whistle Mines(each 0.5kg $15) 1kg $30
x50 M-14 Mines (each 0.1kg $2) 5kg $100
x100 Sandbags(empty) (each 0.2kg $1) 20kg $100
Camouflage Netting 10kg $1,500
x100 Barbed Wire (Straight) (0.3kg $2 per meter) 30kg $200
x60 Barbed Wire, Concertina (2kg $10 per meter) 120kg $600
Mine Detector 10kg $500

Spoiler: Ammo, 225.75kg, $930 (click to show/hide)

Bullets:
-Case of 1000 .22LR rounds 3.75kg $60
-x10 Case of 600 7.62mm N rounds (each 15kg, $65) 150kg $650
Grenades:
x2 Case of 20 Concussion Grenades 40kg $140
x2 Case of 16 Smoke Grenades 32kg $80

Spoiler: Tools, 55.1kg, $885 (click to show/hide)

x2 0.5km Hand Radio (each 0.5kg) 1kg $500
Air Compressor 45kg $200
Compass, Lensatic 0.1kg $30kg
x2 Fishing Pole (each 4kg $50) 8kg $100
x5 Fishing Line (each 0.2kg $5) 1kg $25

Spoiler: Extra Fuel, 184.8kg, $935 (click to show/hide)

Drum, 200-liter 10kg $30
20-Liter Jerry Can 1kg $25
x220 Methanol (0.79 kg $4 per liter) 173.8 kg $880

Spoiler: Food, 50kg, $40 (click to show/hide)

x50 MRE ($8 per kg) 50kg $40

Used this website to calculate the weight of methanol. Is it correct?

[Aseaheru]

Funk, I was just going by the numbers on that one website. Still will be.

Straw, ah... They dont have weights of ethanol or methanol listed, so lets go with their listing of .79kg per liter. Slightly heaver than gas... interesting.

Also, everyone, what do you guys want in the vehicles? Ethanol or Methanol?
Also, you guys gonna get chemical detectors to go with those suits?

[Funk]

Funk, I was just going by the numbers on that one website. Still will be.

Straw, ah... They dont have weights of ethanol or methanol listed, so lets go with their listing of .79kg per liter. Slightly heaver than gas... interesting.

Also, everyone, what do you guys want in the vehicles? Ethanol or Methanol?
Also, you guys gonna get chemical detectors to go with those suits?

Aseaheru you're in charge so as i said it's not important for us to argue every little detail.

Lets go with the Chemical Sniffer with the suits.
And lets start with a full tank of methanol.

[StrawBarrel]

We can't get a machinist shop, but PO3 Harry Gaylord does have a metallurgy of 7.

Spoiler: Mobile Blacksmith, ~$3,150, ?kg (click to show/hide)

Primitive hand-made coal burning forge $1,000
Crucible (insulated bucket with handles) $100
Blacksmith Tools $100
Anvil $50
Temperature-Controlled Ovens $1,000
x50 Coal ($18 per kg) 50kg $900

Information
First of all we need to decide weight values for these objects and the forge's consumption rate. If it proves to be to heavy or costly, we can always hope to find a forge and/or smelter later ingame.

[Aseaheru]

 Finding them, or even making them, wouldn't be too difficult.

[StrawBarrel]

Wallace Gordon's Stuff: Spent: $14,999.99 | Left: $0.01 | 1,843.63kg

Spoiler: Basic Kit, 61.74kg (click to show/hide)

-Fatigues 4kg
-Kevlar Helmet 0.5kg
-Pack 2kg
-Shelter Half 1kg
-Combat Webbing 2kg
-Gas Mask 1kg
-Kevlar Vest 4kg
-Sleeping Bag 4kg
-Flashlight 0.2kg
-Personal Medical Kit 0.2kg
-Thermal Fatigues 6kg
-Bayonet 0.25
-M60 10kg
-x6 7.62mm N 100-round belt (3kg each) 18kg
-x6 Frag Grenades (each 0.5kg) 3kg
-x2 Smoke Grenades (each 0.5kg) 1kg
-x180 loose 7.62mm N rounds (each 25.5g) 4.59kg

Spoiler: Weapons, 13.44kg, $410.99 (click to show/hide)

-NLT (NATO Light Tripod) 7kg $200
-Ruger Mark II Suppressed 1.15kg $181
-x3 .22LR 10-round magazine (each 1.43kg, $3.33) 4.29kg $9.99
Hatchet 1kg $20

Spoiler: Combat Engineering, 989.8kg, $9,239 (click to show/hide)

Engineer Demolitions Kit 30kg $750
-Case of 100 0.25kg dynamite sticks 30kg $750
-Case of 20 1kg plastic explosive blocks 30kg $650
x20 1kg Plastic Explosive Blocks 20kg $600
x5 Frame Charge (each 2kg $100) 10kg $500
-x14 Antipersonnel Mines(M16A1AP mine) (each 20kg) 280kg $700
-x11 Antitank Mines(M19 AT mine) (each 35kg) 385kg $1,100
-Case of 6 Directional Mines(M18 Claymore) (each 2kg) 12kg $800
x5 Trip Flare Mines(each 1kg $15) 5kg $75
x2 Trip Whistle Mines(each 0.5kg $15) 1kg $30
x50 M-14 Mines (each 0.1kg $2) 5kg $100
x184 Sandbags(empty) (each 0.2kg $1) 36.8kg $184
Camouflage Netting 10kg $1,500
x10 Barbed Wire, Antipersonnel (2kg $20 per meter) 20kg $200
x100 Barbed Wire (Straight) (0.3kg $2 per meter) 30kg $200
x60 Barbed Wire, Concertina (2kg $10 per meter) 120kg $600
Mine Detector 10kg $500

Spoiler: Ammo, 455.75kg, $1,930 (click to show/hide)

Bullets:
-Case of 1000 .22LR rounds 3.75kg $60
-x10 Case of 600 7.62mm N rounds (each 15kg, $65) 150kg $650
Hand Grenades:
x2 Case of 20 Concussion Grenades 40kg $140
x2 Case of 16 Smoke Grenades 32kg $80
Rifle Grenades:
x5 Case of 10 HEAT 200kg $500
x10 140mm RAW (each 3kg, $50) 30kg $500

Spoiler: Tools, 63.1kg, $1,885 (click to show/hide)

x2 0.5km Hand Radio (each 0.5kg) 1kg $500
Air Compressor 45kg $200
Compass, Lensatic 0.1kg $30kg
x2 Fishing Pole (each 4kg $50) 8kg $100
x5 Fishing Line (each 0.2kg $5) 1kg $25
Chemical Defense Suit 8kg $1,000

Spoiler: Extra Fuel, 184.8kg, $935 (click to show/hide)

Drum, 200-liter 10kg $30
20-Liter Jerry Can 1kg $25
x220 Methanol (0.79 kg $4 per liter) 173.8 kg $880

Spoiler: Food, 75kg, $600 (click to show/hide)

x75 MRE ($8 per kg) 75kg $600

Done allocating allowance, but subject to change if we need to cut weight.

[Aseaheru]

 You guys may be strapping things to the side of the vehicles, and probably will be walking outside of them after all this.

 Ill figure that out once StarWars Hell is over.

[3_14159]

I must admit being pretty beat from the sheer amount of possible stuff we can take. I may be able to look at it again once I have handed in my master's thesis next week.

(I do remember we should probably take a water filter)

[Aseaheru]

 Between Funk, Pi and StrawBarrel you guys are up to 6,872.14 kg. not counting personal kit. Each of the free vehicles can carry around 2300kg at the absolute maximum. Also, I cant find mention of the two trailers or the landrover(which can bring along another 2.3ton at the most) being bought.
 The CO brings the weight total to 6,950.44kg. Immaterial(who may have lost interest) and the two GMPCs have yet to buy anything, and I think have 30k between them.

 Also, have a copy of the map that will be that main thing used during this. You guys are in hex 6816.

[Aseaheru]

As an update, Immaterial is dropping out due mostly to lack of time.

So, what should the GMPCs get? Trailers and 5.56N?