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[cochramd]

From past experience, I know that once dwarfs get rooms, they will never leave them to hang around meeting areas unless there's a party going on, and once nobles have rooms they never go to parties again. My plans for permanent housing are.....well, it's been 11 years and I haven't cast the obsidian for them yet, so I figured that I would forgo temporary housing so that everyone would mingle, fall in love and get married.

11 years later, that strategy appears to have failed. Except for couples who arrived married, no one in the fort has a relationship more advanced than "friendly terms". This is particularly alarming in the vcase of my king and duke; I want them to have kids so that when they die, all the work I put into making their rooms will not be for nothing!

I am loathe to let my dwarfs party, especially now that worshipping eats so much of their time, but it seems like I have no choice now. I'm not going to put off making rooms forever, so I've built a designated partying statue and am going to let my dwarfs party their hearts out. Any tips for making the matchmaking go faster, especially for my king and duke?

[darkflagrance]

This may have something to do with the gay/asexual sex preferences of the dwarves in the current version. For example, if you have a gay/asexual duke/king, nothing you do will EVER get them laid.

[k33n]

There is a chance that your King / Duke is gay or asexual.

[schlake]

I've noticed that the smaller the party area, the more likely babies are to pop out of it.  Put your statue in a 5x5 room, and make sure no one has anything to do.

[martinuzz]

MY fort has had a party statue room for 10+ years now. Even in those periods where they have no temple, and the tavern and library are forbidden, and there's nothing but free time, they have never ever thrown a party.

I am strarting to think that partying has been removed from the game or is broken, with the tavern update.

Friendship relations have formed for some dwarves, but only for those that really value friendship. All other dwarves haven't progressed beyond friendly relations.

But then, my tavern is 11x11. Some space nibbled off by statues, but dwarves chilling there aren't really packed clope together. My pantheon temple and statue party room are 3x3 though.

[Shonai_Dweller]

Partying has been removed from the game. It's been replaced by taverns, temples, libraries, etc.

[Klitri]

I have a theory that perhaps the new socializing actions don't contribute to relationships. I can't see why else it would be so tough. :/

[Bouchart]

Succession of noble titles doesn't work properly in fort mode.  The only time you'll see it is when your civilization has no king and your dwarves agree on a new one, or when a lesser noble in some offsite place dies and one of your dwarves inherits the title somehow.

[omega_dwarf]

I have too. Damn. Many. Children in my fort. I'm sure they all come from the tavern (geeze, get a room, guys!) I have about 50 dorfs (and at least 10 of them are kids/babies, a few more have grown past childhood); they have one tavern and a lot of downtime (waiting out a siege, with our large construction project cut off from the rest of the fort.) A dormitory too, rather than private bedrooms, but I don't think that's a factor. (That would be creepy.) The tavern isn't huge. About 5x10 to 5x10 (dining area), plus an 8x8 dance floor that most people crowd onto during socialization. Baby machine.

[vjmdhzgr]

Succession of noble titles doesn't work properly in fort mode.  The only time you'll see it is when your civilization has no king and your dwarves agree on a new one, or when a lesser noble in some offsite place dies and one of your dwarves inherits the title somehow.

It does actually. At least, I'm pretty sure it does. That's the whole reason the thing you just described happens, because Toady fixed the succession in 0.40.

[PatrikLundell]

@omega_dwarf: I've generally had a hard time getting my dorfs to produce offspring, but I've gotten loads of married couples arriving to my current fortress and pumping out dorflets, and the difference is that this fortress is in a "normal" world with a healthy civ, while I usually use pocket worlds where everyone except the goblins are struggling, so most migrants are void dorfs. You might want to head in that direction if you want to avoid dorflet glut.

While partying was a thing, that did nothing to get dorfs to produce offspring unless you actually managed to get them to have friends to party with (and I never saw having rooms blocking the few parties that happened; dorfs with dining rooms tended to dine in them, but off time was usually spent in the meeting hall). Time off spent chatting to others promoted friendship. I would hope the new system's "doing stuff together" (simulate instruments, sing, etc) should help friendship, but wouldn't be surprised if it would require calibration. The previous system was said to require dorfs to stand beside each other to chat, while some of the new activities  are more spread out (tell/listen to story, for example).

[Dunamisdeos]

What you do is lock your intended couple in a 2x2 room with food and booze. and two beds.
They will have nothing to do but interact. I usually get results in 3-4 months.

[Sethatos]

You'll have to arrange the marriages with pre-honeymoon suites. Find unrelated dwarves within 10 years age of each other who are heterosexual and assign them small rooms with two beds in them. Don't lock them inside as it reduces the number of encounters they have. Disable all meeting areas so they idle there and limit their jobs to hauling and other light work. Every time they come together in the room they will increase their relationship. Even then there's only about an 80% chance they will marry. They could get stuck as friends or lovers. If they don't marry within a year then they probably won't. Reassign them new partners and try again. It's a bit tedious, but thrilling when it works

[cochramd]

I feared the worst when two seasons went by and not a single dwarf started a party.

What you do is lock your intended couple in a 2x2 room with food and booze. and two beds.
They will have nothing to do but interact. I usually get results in 3-4 months.

You'll have to arrange the marriages with pre-honeymoon suites. Find unrelated dwarves within 10 years age of each other who are heterosexual and assign them small rooms with two beds in them. Don't lock them inside as it reduces the number of encounters they have. Disable all meeting areas so they idle there and limit their jobs to hauling and other light work. Every time they come together in the room they will increase their relationship. Even then there's only about an 80% chance they will marry. They could get stuck as friends or lovers. If they don't marry within a year then they probably won't. Reassign them new partners and try again. It's a bit tedious, but thrilling when it works

Sounds like a lot of work. Anything I can do to get them to socialize on their own, so I can then switch to this strategy once they've found lovers/friends?

[PatrikLundell]

The strategy I tried in 0.40.24 was to have a small dining hall (to keep them getting beside each other as much as possible) and skip all work except basic maintenance (harvesting/planting, etc) for half a year at a time. They then spent most of their time idling in the dining hall socializing. It worked well in that I got 6 lover couples out of 19 dorfs after 7 or so years, and everyone was friends with everyone else (except one grudge pair present from the start), but failed in that none of the pairs progressed to marriage. DFHack gaydar indicated one couple was a dud since one of the parties wouldn't commit to marriage, and another one was obviously non reproductive as it was a lesbian relation.
I didn't progress to the overlapping bedroom strategy for the lover couples, though.

I don't think there is much knowledge of how to promote friendship in the new needs system, though. If there are, I'd like to know about it.