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[dwarfhoplite]

Some people say that force-reading mind was a new trick, but I recall Vader saying to Luke something about Luke's feelings having betrayed to Vader that Leia is Luke's sister.

[Starver]

Some people say that force-reading mind was a new trick, but I recall Vader saying to Luke something about Luke's feelings having betrayed to Vader that Leia is Luke's sister.

I'm sure that if I dug up the original D6 Star Wars RPG materials (none of this D20 nonsense!) that it was already a (semi-canon) thing way back then.

There's a possible difference, though.  Vader just felt around the shape of Luke's active mind, and/or even heard and interpreted its unrestrained broadcasts of emotion and symbolism, while Ren seems to like pushing and prodding and stabbing around to discover information within the heads of the unwilling (which Vader didn't seem to do with Leia, hence bringing in the Torture-Droid).

[Sirus]

Some people say that force-reading mind was a new trick, but I recall Vader saying to Luke something about Luke's feelings having betrayed to Vader that Leia is Luke's sister.

I'm sure that if I dug up the original D6 Star Wars RPG materials (none of this D20 nonsense!) that it was already a (semi-canon) thing way back then.

There's a possible difference, though.  Vader just felt around the shape of Luke's active mind, and/or even heard and interpreted its unrestrained broadcasts of emotion and symbolism, while Ren seems to like pushing and prodding and stabbing around to discover information within the heads of the unwilling.

I bet that if Luke were restrained, Vader would be able to do the probe-y thing as well.

[TheBiggerFish]

Psychology?

[mainiac]

I think Vadar could read Luke because it was a strong emotion he was actively thinking about.  Leia was a very good liar however.  Maybe cuz Luke was a farm boy and she was a lifelong politician :p  That was I think the point of the torture, to try and make her reveal herself through emotions.

[Sirus]

Then why didn't he on Leia? He wasted time with a "truth serum" on her at the start of 4.

He tried. He said something to Tarkin along the lines of "her resistance to the mind probe is considerable".

...which now that I think about it, might have been some pretty good foreshadowing

[Kot]

Rey confirmed for incestous child of Luke and Leia.

[mainiac]

...which now that I think about it, might have been some pretty good foreshadowing

I dont think Lucas had come up with the idea of Leia as Lukes sister yet.  I might be wrong.

[Sirus]

...which now that I think about it, might have been some pretty good foreshadowing

I dont think Lucas had come up with the idea of Leia as Lukes sister yet.  I might be wrong.

I have no idea myself. If it was intentional, kudos to Lucas.

[Urist McScoopbeard]

How do you guys feel about the final Lightsaber duel. I thought it was pretty well done... Besides the obvious crudeness of if it feels more believable with more thrusts, slower parries, and marked with a messiness of a gritty, desperate fight. Thoughts?

[Sirus]

I would need to see it again, but I seem to remember that it was pretty good. More like the lightsaber battles of the original trilogy.

[NRDL]

Definitely a nice return to form.  Always preferred OTrilogy-kendo to Trilogy-Ballet fencing, visually anyway.  In my mind, the original trilogy's lightsaber fights were less about the fights and more about how they expressed the characters, and showed their development.  As nice as the Prequel lightsaber forms and choreography was, the fights as physical manifestations of their emotions and ideologies is just so much more satisfying.   

[Ghills]

So apparently, the novelization sheds a lot of light on the state of the Republic and the Resistance.

Ack, I hate that.  Star Wars always had a huge problem with spreading vital info across multiple sources. I hoped binning the EU, as traumatic as it was, was a sign that Disney was going to be more coherent.  Looks like they're going to keep pulling the same tricks so that people have to buy multiple things just to understand what's happening.

[ragnar119]

...which now that I think about it, might have been some pretty good foreshadowing

I dont think Lucas had come up with the idea of Leia as Lukes sister yet.  I might be wrong.

Yes you are correct. He didnt had a planed out story or better said trilogy. He thought out that later after huge success of first movie.

[RedKing]

So apparently Lucas is now giving his opinion on the new movie, and has said that selling the rights to Disney was like "selling his kids to white slavers".

So my takeaway from that is that George Lucas would sell his kids to white slavers for $4 billion. Because it's not like they held a gun to this head, and he sure didn't haven't any complaints when he was counting those greenbacks.