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[Jopax]

I took it as Luke tampering with R2 as seen is that one vision Rey gets when she touches the spacedildo lightsaber, also maybe making it wake up when it did.

Since official ward makes no sense whatsoever considering when it could've occured and when Luke gtfoed

[penguinofhonor]

Luke didn't just run off at random though, he went to the first Jedi Temple. R2D2 could have theoretically gotten a map to the temple then. This may be the map he followed to get there.

[Egan_BW]

The map thing didn't really make any sense anyway.

[Jopax]

Was he actually there though. I don't recall anyone saying exactly that, just that he might've went looking for it or something like that. Think it was Han saying it.

[Kot]

The whole thing doesn't make any fucking sense - Luke just goes away crying because Kylo Ren happened and just leaves some obscure map to him for some reason. Why? I mean, what the fuck?

[Jopax]

Because they needed some semblance of a reason to have a hunt for a droid who's carrying vital information to the resistance.

[SalmonGod]

I meant it when I said a wizard did it...

Pretty sure that was Luke doing some force stuff with R2-D2 in the flashback.  I walked away with the impression that was when he had imprinted the directions to where he was going to run off to, along with trigger conditions for when R2-D2 would wake up.  Probably something to do with a challenge to the dark side awakening and proving themselves ready to be taken to Luke for training.

[ChairmanPoo]

Watched the movie proper yesterday, and a thought.

...Assuming that the first superweapon firing did indeed wipe out the republic fleet...

did anyone else catch the resistance comment about how those twenty-something x-wing that are thrown at the Starkiller base are all the resistance fleet? AKA: after a few get shot out of the sky, someone comments that half of their fleet was wiped out.

Because adding both together, man, the resistance is in deep shit as far as Episode 8 is concerned. Because if they are going to have to face star destroyers with a couple of fighters and the millenium falcon -now acting as flagship, I'm guessing-...

All things considered, the stupidly large superweapons seem to be a solid investment for the bad guys, as they inevitably result in pyrrhic victories for the good guys. No wonder they keep making them despite having them blown up on a regular basis.

PD: I've got a feeling Finn's going back to be First Order by episode 8.

PPD: I read somewhere in an interview that Darth Pl... I mean Snoke, is interested in Kylo Ren because he's an individual conflicted "between the light and the dark", like Darth Vader. It kind of makes you wonder: hasn't he realized that such individuals are bad news for everybody involved? I mean, Vader ended up killing most jedi, his wife, several imperial high-officers, and his dark side mentor. That's without going into how he also tortured his daughter and maimed his own son.

Hell, maybe Luke Skywalker was the smart one by calling it a day and going to live to a cave as far away from everything as possible.

[Kot]

To me all the main characters seem to be stuck in the past. Ben Solo is edgy try-hard villian who hooked up with the terrorist Nazi try-hard First Order (how many ISDs do you even see? And the amount of TIE Fighters isin't that big anyways, the only thing they seem to have had was the Starkiller Base and) because he heard stories of how awesome Darth Vader was, Leia now runs weak fanboy try-hard Resistance that is just bunch of young rebels that heard how awesome the Rebellion was, Luke ran away, Han and Chewie don't mean much anymore and aren't even that good, they ran away just due to Finn and Rey, and that couple - they ran into all this and are too blind to see that all of them are children playing with guns. Even the Republic seems to not even be that important anymore, they just exist. I mean, holy shit, First Order is a thing and they didin't gave a single shit except giving Resistance a few X-Wings?

For me, it seems that the Golden Age of Heroes has passed. This isin't about Republic, Imperium, Sith, Jedi, not even about the Force anymore. Nowadays the Galaxy is just a bunch of planets with people on them and nobody actually cares about politics and heroism except few people who refuse to get on with the times and have fights between each other. There are no great superpowers, no people changing the whole universe, no... Star Wars. It's Star Skirmishes. There is a chance that it will get better in next movies but... for now, it happened. Star Wars turned grimbright.

[FallacyofUrist]

Star Skirmishes? I can imagine- except one side gets to make super weapons.

[RedKing]

Just watched it the second time w/ my daughter. It actually held up better the 2nd time around. The bits that annoyed me the first time around weren't so bad, or I could focus more on the non-verbal cues.

[Bohandas]

EDIT: Oh my god I love Snoke. Kylo Ren showing abilities introduced in Knights of the Old Republic and not seen much otherwise (stasis, mind domination) and Snoke being his teacher plus Snoke's appearance suggests that he's old as fuck. Maybe older than the Rule of Two; in legends, Bane based the rule of two on Revan. And Snoke is certainly no sith

Snoke's Plagueis. I bet you a beer.

That's exactly what I was thinking

[Kot]

Star Skirmishes? I can imagine- except one side gets to make super weapons.

I still don't get how they managed to make it without, like, people noticing. And if they did, why the fuck nobody did a thing? I mean, what does the Republic do? Send their whole fleet to do stuff? No, they just donate few X-Wings to Resistance to make them fell important. IMO, proably nobody even thought Starkiller Base could work.

EDIT: Oh my god I love Snoke. Kylo Ren showing abilities introduced in Knights of the Old Republic and not seen much otherwise (stasis, mind domination) and Snoke being his teacher plus Snoke's appearance suggests that he's old as fuck. Maybe older than the Rule of Two; in legends, Bane based the rule of two on Revan. And Snoke is certainly no sith

Snoke's Plagueis. I bet you a beer.

That's exactly what I was thinking

He seems to be a bit... you know... overgrown?

[ChairmanPoo]

I've figured it out. Snoke is behind both the First Order and the Republic. Building republic fleets that get wiped out by superweapons and superweapons that can be destroyed by mangy one-person crafts is part of a 1984-like scheme to keep the galaxy stalled into a status of perpetual war. Both the FO and the Republic spend countless resources into producing goods (fleets, death stars) that get destroyed right away.

I've also figured out Snoke's true identity.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

[TheBiggerFish]

HOLY CARP YES.