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[mainiac]

Tarkin also gives Vader direct orders ("Lord Vader, release him!", after which Vader immediately complies) and seems to be in overall command of the Death Star.

He gives him the direct command but he doesn't give the command right away.  That's the key thing about it.  If he said it right away, it would be asserting control over Vader.  If he waited too long it would be him powerless in the face of Vader.  Tarkin also doesn't reveal any emotion.  If he showed fear openly, it would establish Vader has power over him.  If he showed anger or contempt it would show he doesn't fear Vader.  Instead the camera lingers on Tarkin as his face remains completely stoney and emotionless while he watches Vader.  It's not an accidental shot.

And yeah Tarkin is in overall command of the Death Star.  He orders everyone around with authority... except Vader.

And let's not forget that Palpatine was perfectly willing to get rid of Vader if he could successfully corrupt Luke. I'm sure that the Emperor feared the possibility of a betrayal by Vader, but I don't know how much respect there was.

That's exactly what I'm talking about.  Both Palpatine and Vader want to cut a deal with Luke and kill off the other.  It's not respect in the esteem sense but it's certainly a respect of each other's power.  Both considered the other too dangerous.

[Jopax]

It takes a real fucking stretch to say they didn't change up parts from earlier movies. You basically have to ignore anything involving the characters at all, which misses the point so utterly I can't imagine why anyone thinks it's a proper way to watch.

Yes, they have changed certain things, but for the most part it feels like a damn reskin. The only real wild card was Finn and even he didn't turn out that good because him going against killing folks set a lot of this into motion and he just kinda goes and starts killing people willy nilly pretty quickly, as someone pointed out eariler.

All in all, I can't say the movie is bad, it's just dissappointinly safe and predictable because they didn't want to fuck up as badly as the second trilogy so they just went back to the last thing that worked instead of trying something new perhaps. Maybe not go for yet another fucking Death Star plot.

Oh well, hopefully the next two movies do something differently.

[Xantalos]

To understand Finn you have to realize he fills the role that Han Solo took in A New Hope. He's the dude with a shady past who doesn't have too much of a belief in the Force who runs away at some point only to come back to save Rei, the Luke-equivalent. Han filled the Obi-Wan role, the old wise mentor dude who gets killed by the Dark Lord role, Ben Skywalker/Kylo 'school shooter stereotype' Ren.

[Putnam]

It takes a real fucking stretch to say they didn't change up parts from earlier movies. You basically have to ignore anything involving the characters at all, which misses the point so utterly I can't imagine why anyone thinks it's a proper way to watch.

Yes, they have changed certain things, but for the most part it feels like a damn reskin. The only real wild card was Finn and even he didn't turn out that good because him going against killing folks set a lot of this into motion and he just kinda goes and starts killing people willy nilly pretty quickly, as someone pointed out eariler.

He said he wasn't willing to kill for the first order.

[Antioch]

Lol. When you go to IMDB the movie scores a 8.7. However when you read the reviews there its all 1/2 stars with reviews such as "WORST REBOOT EVAH" and "YOU THOUGHT THE PREQUELS WERE BAD"

We did it guys, we bred a generation of whiners.

[Ultimuh]

We did it guys, we bred a generation of whiners.

You just discovered that NOW?

[Digital Hellhound]

Worry not. I think every generation has its fair share of whiners - I mean, in all likelihood, those are bitter forty-somethings wallowing in nostalgia writing those reviews.

[Putnam]

the movie's biggest fans i've seen by far are happy fifty-somethings wallowing in nostalgia, so i'm not sure

[ChairmanPoo]

My theory about Rey is that she is someone's clone. Likely one of Luke's dead students. Basing myself off stuff in the Starwars leaks reddit.
BTW: There's this gif I've found and like... but I've got nowhere to post it

[Putnam]

...it seems more likely that she's straight-up a survivor of kylo's rampage than a clone thereof

the timeline's all right

jedi tend to be trained from horrifically low age

[ChairmanPoo]

...it seems more likely that she's straight-up a survivor of kylo's rampage than a clone thereof

the timeline's all right

jedi tend to be trained from horrifically low age

The reason why I think she's a clone is that

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

she has a pretty clony  real name, in scanned leaked materials. Like, REY-001 or somesuch

[NAV]

Yeah she's a clone of Shinji's mom.


Wait wrong Rei.

[smjjames]

Too tired right now to properly articulate but I'll leave a garbled sentence comprising my primary gripe with the movie:

BACKGROUND! WHAT REPUBLIC AND RESISTANCE ARE SAME OR NOT NO OR YES

WHAT FIRST ORDER IS

WHAT PLANETS SYSTEM KILLER KILL ARE THEY IMPORTANT

IS REPUBLIC EVEN A THING

WHY RESISTANCE REBELLION OR WHATEVER ONLY HAVE A DOZEN X WINGS FOR ENTIRE FLEET

WAS REPUBLIC DESTORY OR SOMETHING IN SYSKILLER KILL BLAST

WHY EXPLODE PLANET VISIBLE FROM ANOTHER PLANET WAS THIS PLANET IN SAME AYSTEM
BECAUSE IF SO WHY NOT PLANET WITH THOUSAND YEAR ORANGE TALKING BOOGER ASPLODED

IN CONCLUSION

WHY SO NONE EXPOSITION AT ALL AS TO WHATS HAPPENING IN GALAXY

IS RESISTANCE PART OF REPUBLIC OR AGAINST THEM OR WHAT THE FUCK

XANTALOS NEED EXPOSITION BADLY

XANTALOS SHOULDNT HAVR TO LOOK UP SETTING INFO ONLINE TO ENJOY MOVIE

Thousand year orange booger, what?   I haven't seen the movie yet, have to wait until it gets captioned

[Orange Wizard]

There's a creature that looks like an orange booger and is apparently a thousand or so years old.

[Wolfhunter107]

Yeah she's a clone of Shinji's mom.


Wait wrong Rei.

There's a part of me that's amazed that I actually made it six days without seeing someone make this joke.

Also, I found the scene at the end a bit annoying. It broke up the flow of the denouement and did little except give Luke a non-speaking cameo. They should have ended it on the previous scene, but then of course the fanboys would complain about Luke's absence. Maybe use it as a post-credit teaser instead.

I had that thought too. Seemed to make the movie go on just a bit after it should have ended. And while it was a nice ending shot it didn't really fit the flow of the movie to do that. Although it may be necessary for whatever time lapse is in place between the two movies.

Yeah, that scene dragged out much longer than it should have. I fully expected to end when Rey and co. took off.