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[Ozarck]

Do you need help with suggestions for anything specific, like magic or types of creatures?

types of magic, types of creatures, stats to keep, stats to remove, stats to add, same with skills. Also, mission types and the like.

Speaking of mission types, I think I will be instituting a mission length aspect, so that we can have shorter and longer missions, with corresponding reward values
Figure 2-3 rounds per week.

quick and dirty: mission length 1-10 rounds. (1 - 5 weeks)
Reward types:
skill/stat gain - minimal or nil.
Pay - depending on threat level / importance of mission success. (low to medium)
equipment - mostly bring your own or loot what you can.

average: length: 11-20 rounds (5-10 weeks)
skill/stat gain: basic
pay - a standard pay plus bonuses for mission objectives or going above and beyond
equipment - some standard mission equipment provided.

Long: 21 + rounds
skill/stat gain: high, or multiple at mission checkpoints
pay: significant
equipment: special equipment likely provided at mission start, as well as reward equipment at mission end.

thoughts?

[randomgenericusername]

For mission, you could also add a "risk" aspect, with lethality levels of Medium, High and Suicide, which could also affect rewards.

For example, a simple fetch quest might be Medium risk and Long duration while stopping an asteroid from destroying an inhabited planet could be Suicide risk and Quick lenght.

[spazyak]

Sounds fun, I think we have hit the point were a wiki may be nice

[Devastator]

I think I would seperate magic into offensive and defensive magic, stat-wise.  Like you have spells that attack, debuff, take from others, and spells that heal, defend, buff, etc, just to make it less of a universal stat.

[randomgenericusername]

Maybe there should be an option for dumb, melee only brutes for magic. I was thinking of something like weapon magic, in which a fighter could focus their energy on a weapon or their fists to increase the power. For example, causing a blunt weapon like a mace to emit shockwaves on impact or making fists strong enough to bend steel.

Elementals, spirits and other incorporeal energetical beings could be their own creature type, too.

[Egan_BW]

Power Within is the best spell.

Could you get the new character rules out soonish? I wanna play with 'em. :3

[randomgenericusername]

Power Within is the best spell.

Could you get the new character rules out soonish? I wanna play with 'em. :3

Especially if combined with the Red Tearstone Ring. They both stack and buff damage like crazy at low health.

[Ozarck]

Okay, First things first: The Mission is over. You Succeeded! You are all in a sort of suspended animation though, with the following exceptions: Vladen and Freddie need to decide what effect Vladen's healing has on Freddie, as that happened before the portal spell engaged. Finally, Those of you who survived this will be getting a significant reward, IC. I'll wait until We've gotten you guys moved over to the new system before granting it, though. Same with the level-ups.

This thread is now primarily going to be a discussion about the rules and a development of the Character sheet.

For mission, you could also add a "risk" aspect, with lethality levels of Medium, High and Suicide, which could also affect rewards.

For example, a simple fetch quest might be Medium risk and Long duration while stopping an asteroid from destroying an inhabited planet could be Suicide risk and Quick lenght.

Yes. This is good. Consider it done.

Sounds fun, I think we have hit the point were a wiki may be nice

a Wiki has been suggested in the past, a couple times. I'm not opposed, but with five active players, it might not be all that important

I think I would seperate magic into offensive and defensive magic, stat-wise.  Like you have spells that attack, debuff, take from others, and spells that heal, defend, buff, etc, just to make it less of a universal stat.

Over the course of the game, I realized that magic was rather universal in this game. dividing it into soething like attack, defense, and utility magic, orlimiting it to specific spells (ala the wizard spells from DnD) doesn't really fit the gameplay to date. What I am planning on doing - to make the Character sheet match the reality a bit more, is to make Magic a stat or attribute, and to make the use of magic governed by the other skills. that is, if one is attack ing with magic, it is the attack skill that matters. The magic affinity determines the kind of effect, and the magnitude of effect. I think this addresses the issue that magic was always a sort of OP skill, and the various combat skills were dump stats, as well as making pure melee builds and other non-magic dps builds more effective.

Maybe there should be an option for dumb, melee only brutes for magic. I was thinking of something like weapon magic, in which a fighter could focus their energy on a weapon or their fists to increase the power. For example, causing a blunt weapon like a mace to emit shockwaves on impact or making fists strong enough to bend steel.

Elementals, spirits and other incorporeal energetical beings could be their own creature type, too.

The option for pure melee characters is, as I mentioned in response to Dev's comment above, part of what I hope to accomplish with the rework. As for teh creature types, i've added them to the work in progress new rulesheet.

Power Within is the best spell.

Could you get the new character rules out soonish? I wanna play with 'em. :3

The more you guys give me feedback on what's good and what's bad, the better I'll be able to put it together.


Okay, Here are the areas I need to work on:
Stats:
currently the list of stats is: strength, dex, speed, constitution, intelligence, memory, charisma, magic
I will probably combine stength and constitution, speed and dex, intelligence and memory. I might make substats though. Like
Stat: Body. Substats: Strength, Constitution, Stamina
Stat: Movement: Substats: Dexterityx, Speed, Agility
Stat: Mind: Substats: Cleverness, Memory, ?
Stat: Spirit: Substats: Charisma, Magic, ?
Stat: Health: Substats: Physical, Mental, Spiritual

Skills:
Currently, I have
natural Weapons (body parts, breath weapons, etc), unnatural Weapons(swords, bows, etc) melee, ranged, medical, Knowledge (specific category), and Special skills (flight, shapeshifting, environmental survival (like surviving in fire or underwater, or on land for water based creatures) I don't really like this list - it needs lots of work

Armory and items:
I'm thinking of instituting armor class to an extent, since i am contemplating adding the health stat. I think both of these things will make things less ambiguous. I need items, and costs, as well as general pay ranges for missions, since I plan on adding that aspect in as well.

Weapons
armor
magical supplies (items necessary for casting magics)
medical supplies

Other?
what have I forgotten?

[Egan_BW]

Weapons!

Dagger, throwing knife, shortsword, longsword, greatsword, ultragreatsword, club, mace, greatclub, battle axe, greataxe, spear, pike, halberd, glaive, pole hammer, shortbow, longbow, crossbow, arquebus.

[ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES]

Name of Character: Jonh Paxton, the fastest hand in the south-west
Race: Zombie

Stats:
Strength: 0
Constitution: 0
Speed: 1
Dexterity: 2
Intelligence: -2
Memory:-1
Will: 0
Charisma:-1

Skills:
Unarmed combat: 2
Blunt weapons: -2
Sharp weapons: 0
Ranged weapons: 2
Magic: -2
Medicine: -2
General knowledge: -1
Skill Mastery/specialization: 0

Description: A tall half-eaten(fucking coyotes) corpse missing it's lower jaw
How did you become part of the Omega Legion?: Joined cause the job opportunities for undead are surprisingly low.
Background: Jonh was your normal run of the mil outlaw when a necromancer killed him, feed him to his pet coyotes, raised him back to life, killed him 4 more times, then got stabbed in the face by John when the coyotes died of food poisoning

This looks fun, have a zombie cowboy

[SuperDino85]

That’s a lot of -2

[ANGRY_DEMON_NOISES]

I think I didn't understand the point distribution thing right.

[Devastator]

Right now it's in flux, actually, with a rules reshuffle coming soon.

Also, stats are relative to the race you select.  A zombie with a -2 Con would probably die a lot more easily than the classic zombie requiring brain damage.  -2s should be taken with care; they're apt to be relevant annoyingly frequently, often ending in death.

[Ozarck]

I feel like teh character sheet is becoming more and more complex. i'm going to need to simplify, I think.

For now, try this out. Post a couple example characters with this sheet and these rules, and we'll see what works and what doesn't.

Spoiler: Character sheet: (click to show/hide)

Race:
Size Class: tiny, small, humanoid, large, giant, gargantuan
creature type: living, undead, construct, fey, elemental, astral, alien/extradmiensional, (other?).
Magic Affinity:

Stats (Cursed, Weak, Basic(the default level), apprentice, journeyman, Master, Exceptional)
Body:
Movement:
Mind:
Spirit:

(Special:)

Substats (-1, 0, +1 Must add up to 0 within each stat)
Body
Strength:
Constitution:
Stamina:

Movement
Speed:
Dex:
Agility:

Mind
Intelligence:
Memory:

Spirit
Charisma:
Will:
Magic:

Skills:
Combat
Melee:
Ranged:
Natural Weapons:
Unnatural Weapons:
Other
Medical:
General Knowledge:
Proficiencies:

Spoiler: Rules (click to show/hide)

Creature type is determined by plane of origin, animating force, and relation to magic and life.
Magic affinity is the type of magic your character is connected to. Everyone has one. Examples of Affinities include: Body, Elemental, Nature, undeath, Fey, Mind, Life, astral,

All stats and skills begin at Basic level. to increase a level, reduce tow other stats or skills by one level. Only trade stats for stats and skills for skills. Do not trade skills for stats or stats for skills. the "special" stat is unique. If you have a special ability or feature, like wings or shapeshifting, that goes here, at the expense of two levels in the other stats.

no skill/stat can start above Journeyman

Levels explained:
Exceptional: these are the top tier beings. Olympic level physique, movement like lightning, or the skill of a master strategist. Decades of training get one to this level
Master: These are professionals. Career soldiers, famous actors, bodybuilders, surgeons. Very good at what they do, or at peak normal physical/mental capacity.
Journeyman: someone with enough experience to hold their own. they no longer need watched over by teachers, and can put out quality work, or fight on equal footing with normal soldiers or the like
Apprentice: Learners. They have enough ability to be dangerous to themselves and others, but they make lots of newbie mistakes.
Basic: what your average Joe would be like in a given situation
Weak: Clumsy, asthmatic, slow, fumbling ...
Cursed: This person is a danger to themselves and those around them. The Stat or Skill at this level is a constant threat to the life of the one so afflicted. Place a stat or skill at this level at your own risk, and be prepared to lose that character any time that aspect is used for anything.

Substats: You start with either 0, 0, 0 or -1, 0, +1 for each set of substats.

Strength - you know this one, Constitution is how healthy you are overall. Please don't put this at cursed unless you have a death wish. stamina affects how much you can get done before needing to rest.
Speed is how fast you move. agility affects dodge, balance, and other full body movements. Dexterity involved hand eye coordination, fine motor movements, and complex physicalskills
intelligence is how agile your mind is, memory affects spell use.
Charisma affects both how others respond to you. High Charisma types tend to get positive responses, low get negative. Will affects how you respond to outside pressure. Weak characters are more likely to panic, give in, or lose focus, strong characters are more likely to stand their ground and ignore or overcome those pressures.

Skills
Melee is close quarters combat with tooth and claw, hand to hand, sharp orheavy objects, or a combination of those.
Ranged is combat from a distance. Breath weapoons, thrown, fired, or spellcast effects and objects fall under this.
Natural weapons are parts of one's body. Unnatural are otherwise.

Medical is one's ability to heal others. This skill will always be rolled in healing actions. Always.
General knowledge is rolled if your character might know something about a situation.
Proficiencies: Basic level gets 3. weak 2, cursed 0, apprentice 4, journeyman 5, master 7 and exceptional 9
select a weapon type / magic type per proficiency. other weapons are treated as one skill level lower for handling combat rolls.
you may use proficiencies for things other than combat skills, like stealth, wayfinding, persuasion

[SuperDino85]

What does unnatural weapon and natural weapon mean?