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[PrimusRibbus]

LA raws are not available on pastebin anymore, apparently.
But, anyway, EA nations seem cool.
I'll submit my vote in a few hours/when I can check the last raw


PS: what does the "cowardly" trait do, effectievly ?
Less morale/attack, or something else/more ?

From the other NationGen games I've played, cowardly appears to generate a unit with less morale than their race/build would normally get. I.E. elite troops with 8 morale.

That being said, after looking through the raws more it seems that Hoburgs get 8 or 9 morale across the board, cowardly or not. So perhaps cowardly might not be that big a deal in this particular game.

[E. Albright]

Base hoburg morale is 9.

Cowardly is -1 mor/+1 def.

Primitive and agrarian hoburgs get that same -1 mor/+1 def by default, among other things. Advanced and industrial do not.

Imperial hoburgs get +1 mor.

Hoburgbred get +2 mor, among other things.

As a narrow rule, except for cowardly and imperial, there will be a gcost change going in the same direction as the mor change. Special pose types (gladiators, clockworks) will also have increased morale, as will elites, sacreds, and units with various positive filters. Some others (e.g., militias) will have worse.

Generally, the lower-tech hoburgs have fewer hp, higher def, worse morale, better mobility, more magic, and access to stealth, while the higher-tech ones have normal magic, higher hp, morale, gcost, and better equipment, most notably clockwork troops. There are a few other quirks as well; e.g., fae hoburgs are only primitive or agrarian (so thankfully we'll never be seeing lumbering Glamoured faerie mecha).

[Il Palazzo]

Hoburgbred get +2 mor, among other things.

A what now?

[E. Albright]

Hoburgbred Abysians! C'mon, keep up!

Hoburgbred Abysians are the result of ill-conceived crossbreeding experiments aiming to combine the best traits of the two races. They are fire resistant, stronger, and more arrogant than typical hoburgs.

Tragically, we don't have any in the current nation-sets.

[IWishIWereSarah]

Just voted for EA : there are now 2 votes for each era ... -_-

[E. Albright]

I'll break a tie, but otherwise I'm not voting.

[bulborbish]

Voted for MA, since on first appearence it will maximize Hoburgs.

[EuchreJack]

Cowardly...yes...reveal your true Hoburg nature to me...I KNEW ALL ALONG

EJ's guide to subverting Hoburgs in the Early Era (totally not an effort to undermine voting for the Early Era, even though 3 nations are basically non-hoburg from Day One):

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

How I would subvert Hoburg Society
OR How Hoburgs Admit Defeat...

Early Age:
*Ismia - Just recruit Pale ones
Shidopipburg - Moon Scions can be recruited every turn and have Death 2 - Replace all hoburg armies with undead AND Van Commanders
Uddria - Uddrian Peers can be recruited every turn and are Nature 2 thus can replace Hoburgs with Animals
Kamburg - Blood and Nature, so Devils and Animals
Cihulotmark - Human Commander, Rose Ascendants can become Jaguars (better than hoborg), Nature means Animal Replacements and I don't even need hoburgs to lead them into battle!
*Nordorf - Clockworks recruitable as both soldiers and commanders and Clockwork Militia are humanoid shaped and thus better than hoburg versions, blood for Devil replacements
Cunfurt - Nature for animals
Ocolhorst - Cavemen commanders, nature for animals, Level 3 fire, water or earth opens up other summons
Cumburg - Actually, with a name like that, I'd probably just use all hoburgs.  They deserve it.  But I could summon animals for some customers.
*Lumbuburg - Most likely the most noble nation, with its Van and Machaka soldiers, Caveman commanders, and blood and nature for even more non-hoborg forces (but doesn't need it, actually)
Portburg - Death for undead, nature for animals, blood for devils.  And so much death that undead commanders for all armies means hoburgs can just be my research slaves.  SLAVES I TELL YOU.
Lumluberg - Machaka sacreds, so I can actually consider a bless and not have it help any worthless hoburg.  Nature for animals, blood for devils

Ironically, the traditional Hoburg magic of Nature is the very means of subverting their military forces: If they have nature, they can summon Animals in one way or other to replace Hoburgs as troopers.  How much that actually subverts the use of Hoburgs is up for interpretation.

EJ's Guide to Subverting MA Hoburgs (Totally not needed, as there is enough Clockworks to stop calling it a Hoburg Mod and start calling it a Clockwork mod.  Oh, and 2 nations aren't even Hoburg with its living troops and commanders)

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How to Subvert Hoburgs in the Middle Ages
OR
How Hoburgs don't deserve to be even Serfs in your realm

*Fifurt - Just recruit Atlanteans
Shidopipburg - Fomorian commanders could likely become Fomorian Thugs
Korrelhorst - They have realized their intrinsic Hoburg suckiness and created Woodland Falchioneers, HUMAN Constructs.  And they can recruit Sirrush occasionally.
Scheimark - Another hoburg realm that creates Human Clockworks, because hoburgs are not meant to exist
Ciburg - Human commanders, Nature for animal troops, enough Air for flying support summons
Ersomark - Human clockworks, Blood for devils and fire with blood for Better devils
Omark - More Human Clockworks, and a larger Clockwork straight from the Mechwarrior Franchise.  Please tell me he's not piloted by a Hoburg...
Sweoitmer - Human Clockwork soldiers and Cavemen commanders
Midnoiberg - Aha, they betray themselves with Nature magic!  Also Death magic is hidden, but I SEE ALL!
*Uganwald - Probably my favorite nation, they have Ape Soldiers and Machaka Elite and Sacred troops, with Ape Commanders and Caveman Mages
Marizendorf - Clockwork Humans again
Simbaburg - Machaka Sacreds, Nature/Death/Blood, emphasis on Nature

[E. Albright]

How much that actually subverts the use of Hoburgs is up for interpretation.

...so the Hoburgs stay home and avoid the rigors and austerity of campaigning - never so much as missing a snack or meal while still profiting from arranging for others to fight and dying in their place? Sounds pretty damned Hoburgy to me...

Korrelhorst - They have realized their intrinsic Hoburg suckiness and created Woodland Falchioneers, HUMAN Constructs.

[...]

Omark - More Human Clockworks, and a larger Clockwork straight from the Mechwarrior Franchise.  Please tell me he's not piloted by a Hoburg...

[...]

Simbaburg - Machaka Sacreds, Nature/Death/Blood, emphasis on Nature

Oh, my sweet summer child. Did you actually look at the sprites for these? The "Human clockworks" are most emphatically piloted by Hoburgs - you can see their little feet protruding around waist level from the armored chest-cage - and are meant to allow the Little People to crush Size-2 peoples (and lesser Size-1 peoples) under their hairy, metal-clad foot. And yes, even though now all Size-3 clockworks feature sealed helms, the early versions most certainly had a hoburg pilot's head comically sticking out amidst the gigantic armor. And last but certainly not least... "Machakan sacreds"? Oh, poor, sweet EucreJack, those "colossi" are simply Hoburgs grown to disturbingly large proportion, with delusions of grandeur and appetites and bellies to match. The images for them are quite literally a hoburg scaled up to Size-2...

[EuchreJack]

Well, that might bias the above a bit.  I may need to see if those humanoid clockworks realms have blood, death, or nature magic to subvert their hoburginess with summons.  Or enough elemental magic to summon enough quantity of other stuff.

Below is the Late Age summary, not taking into account Clockwork and Big Hoburg shenanigans.  Probably the worst era of the three due to its rampant Hoburg infestations.  We should totally not play the Late Era under any circumstances:

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How to Subvert Hoburg influence in the Late Age
OR
How Humans came to dominate Hoburgs through Technology and Not Sucking

*Obmar - Just recruit Lizardmen
Kundorf - Gundam Extreme Sacreds (aka Giant Clockwork w/japanese theme), Monkey Mages WITH drain so stupid Hoburg mages can't use magic as well, as righful punishment for being Hoburgs, only the hoburg mage that kills his brethren (aka a blood mage) is immune
Korrelhorst - Singe Sirrush recruitable half the time plus Clockworm Humans.  Death magic, Nature magic, and their highest mage can better himself by becoming a Giant Spider.
Noirbach - Blood for the Blood Gods!
Ciburg - Human Mages, Stinky Hoburg mage that can better himself by changing into a Bear, tiny blood, lots of nature, and enough air for winged reinforcements
Ersomark - Human clockwork soldiers, Blood for devils, always with Fire for better devils
Omark - Clockwork humans and Clockwork mecha, Death and Blood
Sweoitmer - Clockwork human soldiers and Cavemen commanders, famous nature and blood
Scheiwald - Clockwork Samurai Humans, Nature and some death
Uganwald - Machaka sacred and elite, Cavemen priest and mage, blood and nature
Sorzig - Clockwork human, Mecha, and a Nature possibly death or blood mage that finds Hoburgs existence to be Heretical to the point of adopting Jaguar form
Simbaburg - Machaka Sacred, nature, some blood and death

Revised Middle Age summary, omitting Clockworks, which I still think are too prevalent in that era regardless especially because of who is piloting them.  Come out and fight to my face, cowardly Hoburg!

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*Fifurt - Just recruit Atlanteans
Shidopipburg - Fomorian commanders could likely become Fomorian Thugs
Korrelhorst - They can recruit Sirrush
occasionally.  Plus Nature/Death.
Scheimark - Fire-Blood and some nature
Ciburg - Human commanders, Nature for animal troops, enough Air for flying support summons
Ersomark - Human clockworks, Blood for devils and fire with blood for Better devils
Omark - Death Blood
Sweoitmer - Cavemen commanders, blood and nature
Midnoiberg - Aha, they betray themselves with Nature magic!  Also Death magic is hidden, but I SEE ALL!
*Uganwald - Probably my favorite nation, they have Ape Soldiers and Machaka Elite and Sacred troops, with Ape Commanders and Caveman Mages
Marizendorf - Oh GOD, they only have tiny bits of Nature, and regular tiny bits of Water, and Earth.  Guess their pretender is going to have to corrupt this one...
Simbaburg - Machaka Sacreds, Nature/Death/Blood, emphasis on Nature

[E. Albright]

EA: 2
MA: 3
LA: 4

All three eras are still in the running, with two votes (plus a tiebreaker if needed) outstanding...

[Jilladilla]

Picked LA, because I came for Hoburgs, and LA seemed to have the least number of non-hoburgs in it. I didn't look too hard though...

[E. Albright]

Well, that means EA is out of the running, but MA is still possible.

[EuchreJack]

Well, that means EA is out of the running, but MA Clockwork Age is still possible.

Fixed that for you.   

Oh, you misspelled my name on the opening list.  It is spelled EuchreJack.  No wonder my name is misspelled in all the PMs (other game, haven't gotten any on this one yet).

Why yes, I am looking forward to fighting my teammates from Dom 4.18!  As I am sure they are looking forward to me as foe as well.  After weeks of getting along, we may not even try diplomacy.  We all know my motto by now: Let the Hoburgs Suffer.

[E. Albright]

Well. That's embarrassing. That means your nation seed has been incorrectly generated these past two games. I can regenerate it with the correct spelling, but since we're almost done with voting I'd really rather not since in fairness that would mean we'd need to re-do voting. I'll leave the call up to you, though.