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[Il Palazzo]

I probably like LA lot the most, although there is that one major issue with Sorzig - their iron giant power armour suits have 0 encumberance, whereas all the other nation's iron giants get 10 on top of exhaustion. This makes them clearly overpowered, as each such giant commander is a thug, if not SC chassis, and can roll over pretty much everything other nations can field (just 1 encumberance per turn!), even without any bless or much in terms of extra gear.

MA has the horrible eyesores of Vans and (gasp!) Fomorians.

EA is fine, but a little boring.

[AlStar]

Spoiler: random thoughts on EA nations (click to show/hide)

Nation 103: Kamburg (EA) looks nice - they've got a perfect astral minion:
Junior Tangled Firestarter (Hoburg), 55g, 1r, Pestle, Robes. 1F 1S.
Which can boost any of their larger mages who all have astral, as well as a mix of blood, nature, and fire.

Nation 108: Cumburg (EA)'s Night Stalkers sound interesting: 35g, 1r, Quarterstaff, Leather Cuirass, Leather Cap. Capital only, Sacred, werewolf, berserkhigh and Infantry sacred.
Bit pricey, and cap-only hurts them a lot, though.

Nation 109: Lumbuburg (EA) has (if I'm reading this correctly), a mage mounted on a caveman, which sounds exceptionally useless. Apprentice of the Foreboding Typhoons (Hoburg - caveman), 70g, 1r, Club, Club. 1N.

Nation 110: Portburg (EA) has the potential to get crazy - can reanimate the dead, and have priests all the way up to 3H - cheap too - and none are slow to recruit!
Pilgrim (Hoburg), 30g, 1r, Bamboo Rod, Robes. 1H.
Priest (Hoburg), 65g, 1r, Bamboo Rod, Robes. 2H.
High Priest (Hoburg), 110g, 1r, Robes. 3H.

Spoiler: Random thoughts on MA (click to show/hide)

Nation 100: Fifurt (MA) looks like a strong contender to rule the seas: Atlantian Trident Infantry (Atlantian - shambler), 20g, 15r, Trident, Sharkskin Armor, Coral Cap, Lobster Carapace Shield.

Nation 110: Marizendorf (MA) should be a good astral nation with its cheap 1S mage, although I don't find its secondary picks of nature, earth, and water as strong as Kamburg (EA)s.

Nation 111: Simbaburg (MA) - I have no idea what this means:
Frog Tamer (Hoburg), 65g, 5r, Falchion, Full Leather Armor, Leather Cap, Iron Shield. Capital only, is able to tame frogs., Sick and Fire resistant.

Didn't see anything (just browsing through the text, mind you) that stood out to me in LA.

Overall, I'd say that EA has the most interesting nations, while LA has the most boring.

I'll give my vote to play with EA, with the hope that I get Kamburg or Portburg, as I feel like those could both become monsters.

edit: Ah, a mage who IS a caveman could be quite a bit more useful than a mage Hoburg riding one.

[IWishIWereSarah]

Frog tamer may be able to enter their home site to summon frogs ?
I think there are some wolf tamers somewhere (in vanialla) with an ability like that.

[E. Albright]

I probably like LA lot the most, although there is that one major issue with Sorzig - their iron giant power armour suits have 0 encumberance, whereas all the other nation's iron giants get 10 on top of exhaustion.

Well, yes and no. They do have 0 enc (and -1 reinvig), but the difference between them and other clockworks shouldn't be that dramatic. It totally is, but it shouldn't be. Which is to say, those 10 encs are bugs; they're supposed to be 1 (and I'd correct them to 1 if we had them). And you do exaggerate their efficiency - I sent one solo and unblessed every turn against a non-mage light/heavy/crossbow (maybe 80 troops at the start) throne province for 11 turns before one managed to survive and beat it. They didn't do much better against indies w/o x-bows. Regen and an extra 8 hp would help a lot, but even so they're pretty fragile, only have hand and misc slots, and are 90g/72r (or 185g/72r on the commanders) for a cap-only 19-hp unit. They may well be OP though - their testing has been incomplete. It might be better to give the big clockworks the same enc/reinvig stats as the medium ones (2/-1), so internal combustion engines would only take them down to 1/-1, and they'd e.g. still suffer fatigue from berserking.

AlStar - Lumbuburg has the "caveman allies" theme, so they have some (well, okay - that one) cavemen units in their primary race. Said Apprentice is a caveman mage, not a hoburg mage riding a caveman.

IWIWS: Frog tamers have a Summon Ally command like LA Ulm's wolfherds.

[IWishIWereSarah]

they're pretty fragile, only have hand and misc slots, and are 90g/72r (or 185g/72r on the commanders) for a cap-only 19-hp unit.

I think their main flaw is the 72 resources, as you could get a whole hoburg army with that much, and you still need a priest to lead them "correctly"

[Elfeater]

Does anyone the pictures of em?

[E. Albright]

Spoiler: EA (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: MA (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: LA (click to show/hide)

[EuchreJack]

(This is also a perfectly acceptable moment to argue that the settings were too inclusive, and we should make them more restrictive to exclude head-in-the-clouds interlopers.)

For the record, if I get anything that isn't hoburg, I'm using it almost exclusively.  I'll probably reveal what era mod allows me to act the most un-hoburgly later.

[Il Palazzo]

Your heretic ways will be smothered under pestilentious masses of crawling hoburg meat, for our name is Legion.

[E. Albright]

...well, they'll be smothered right after brunch, anyway.

[Mini]

Why not have them as brunch?

[E. Albright]

Shhhhh! Not in front of the outsiders!

[Oh, and there's a poll. If we reach a clear consensus or reasonable facsimile thereof via nattering on at each other, we can ignore it though.]

[BFEL]

"Cumburgian Herbalist" *snicker*

So am I the only one who noticed Ocolhorst got ABSOLUTELY SCREWED by EVERY SINGLE ONE of its units being cowardly?

[PrimusRibbus]

PrimusRibbus's excited noises interpreted as a request to join (plus, well, they were the one who was foul enough to suggest this, even though I was just waiting for an excuse - I nearly proposed this for 4.18)

Hah yes, I suppose I should have been more direct. Hoburgera is the type of vile game mode that I must participate in on principle.

"Cumburgian Herbalist" *snicker*

So am I the only one who noticed Ocolhorst got ABSOLUTELY SCREWED by EVERY SINGLE ONE of its units being cowardly?

All Most of EA Nordorf's units are cowardly too.

Going to vote MA. I don't like having two cowardly nations in EA, and LA doesn't have quite the amount of interesting NationGen flavor that MA has imo.

[IWishIWereSarah]

LA raws are not available on pastebin anymore, apparently.
But, anyway, EA nations seem cool.
I'll submit my vote in a few hours/when I can check the last raw


PS: what does the "cowardly" trait do, effectievly ?
Less morale/attack, or something else/more ?