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[Flying Dice]

If't pleases you. Just remember that folk where you live are the sort who'll shoot back.

[Frumple]

Mate, these fuckers'll shoot for no reason, nevermind getting shot at first. If that was a concern I'd never go outside.

[Loud Whispers]

Nah, if I were going to shoot people involved in that nonsense, I'd be shooting the ones that are complaining about it. I can actually find large numbers of those in driving distance. Rabid SJW stereotypes barely exist outside the internet (or on it, really), but people frothing about political correctness and whatnot are literally down the street in numbers that require more than fingers and toes to count.

I live in London, I can tell you rabid SJWs don't come from the internet, they merely go on it. Dyed armpit hair and problem glasses as far as the eyes can't see, shitlord

More worrying, these fucks are in power trying to ban all problematic speech.

[penguinofhonor]

A SJW is the most terrifying being imaginable. For them to be that terrifying, they must be real. Therefore they are real.

[TempAcc]

Nah, if I were going to shoot people involved in that nonsense, I'd be shooting the ones that are complaining about it. I can actually find large numbers of those in driving distance. Rabid SJW stereotypes barely exist outside the internet (or on it, really), but people frothing about political correctness and whatnot are literally down the street in numbers that require more than fingers and toes to count.

I live in London, I can tell you rabid SJWs don't come from the internet, they merely go on it. Dyed armpit hair and problem glasses as far as the eyes can't see, shitlord

More worrying, these fucks are in power trying to ban all problematic speech.

^Pretty much this. Frumple just happens to live in a place where they're more reserved. In europe and parts of south america, SJW dweebs are everywhere and often have connections with the government, who's all too happy to use them cannon fodder and leverage to silence all opposition and have them lobby for anything the government wants. Cue calling all oposition "fascists" and silencing any speech that doesn't support their own.

Hell, look at Brazil, who's currently fighting to remove a 12 year old corrupt as all hell lefty government from power. The only guys actualy defending the government are the so called "social movements" that claim to "represent the opressed minorities", and who just happen to gain ludicrous ammount of public funding, and some of them may even have ties with south american dictatorships. Things are getting specially heated now that Argentina kicked Kirchner and her cronies out.

[Morrigi]

Yeah, claiming that SJWs only exist on the internet is, quite, simply, bullshit. Just look at Sweden, the entire political dialogue is built around them, and it's terrifyingly dysfunctional.

[SirQuiamus]

SJWs Internet moralists* have as much political power as cats. They can sometimes be annoyingly noisy, or scratch furniture, or chew cables, or piss on the bed, or puke on the keyboard, or... well, whatever they do, the point is that being a nuisance does not make you powerful.**


_{* I prefer this term because it has less usage as a snarl word for non-stupid, non-internet people.
** This is one of the Iron Rules of Politics, in case you haven't noticed.}

[wierd]

Here is where I personally draw the line on such issues--

Does the person trying to "step up" use thier resources to actually give voice to a social minority (as in a charity group that provides enabling services, but has no message of its own)-- OR-- Does the person trying to "step up" raise their resources to raise their own voice, on a topic they innately can know nothing about?

The former, I have no problem with.  This is a good thing, and allows actually repressed or disadvantaged people to hold the mic, and let the world hear them.

The latter, I have a serious problem with. This is a bad thing. It is hypocrisy incarnate, as instead of the actual situations faced by the targeted minority getting spoken about, it is instead purely the opinion and rhetoric of people of privelege, working themselves into a rabid lather over what they THINK those people experience. This poisons the actual social discussion by parading a caracature of the problem around with such loudness and grandure, that the actual voices of the actually disenfranchised gets smeared with it. This makes people who would otherwise be sensible, and sympathetic toward solving actual adversity become adverse to even listening, because of how radically batshit the characaturized version is.

Recent example from history:

Hearing about communism in the soviet union, from people who lived in the soviet union.
vs
Hearing about communism in the soviet union from Joe McCarthy, and his cronies. (Or from Stalin's PR machine, either one is just as bad.)


It is important to keep in mind that there does not need to be an obviously malign agenda, like with the prior example. People can truely mean well with thier interjections-- The problem persists though; They are raising their own (imagined) perception of the problem, rather than using their resources to hand the mic over to people that actually experience the problem.  When that happens, they drown out the signal, and make only noise.

[Neonivek]

It is more that SJWs kind of "Talk for them" and if the group they are speaking for disagrees well "They are just brainwashed".

Not that the reverse doesn't happen where a group goes "No one can have an opinion on this unless they are us"

--

So you get a LOT of situations where the SJWs are offended by something that the group in question is not.

A huge example is Speedy Gonzales from Loony Toons who have been banned for YEARS because "White People" thought it offended Mexicans... when in fact it was the opposite the Mexicans thought it was a great and positive character.

And honestly the examples are rather long if I chose to list them all.

[wierd]

Funny you mention that, my hispanic co-worker loves speedy gonzales.

[SirQuiamus]

Since this thread seems to be in danger of turning into an SJW-bashing circlejerk with little self-awareness, I'm encouraging everyone to read these words of wisdom on the subject of "internet safety/justice," or whatever you'd call it. It's by one cynical and disagreeable old misanthrope, but regardless, I found it eye-openingly astute and true for the most part.

Spoiler: A few key points: (click to show/hide)

There's a big push for "women's safety" online, for getting rid of trolls and cyberbullies and cyberstalkers, not coincidentally another one of Randi Zuckerberg's pet causes; and while these are all legitimate worries someone should take a minute and ask why, when mustached men have been stalking women since the days of Whitecastle yet no systemic changes have been effected, the moment women feel threatened from the safety of their LCD screens America opens the nuclear briefcase. No one finds that suspicious?
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The force for this change isn't coming from safety or ethics. Neither is it activism. If you see any group advocating influentially for change in a media they don't own or control, you can double down and split the 10s, the dealer is holding status and quo. No change is possible on someone else's dime, and if what looks like a supermodel approaches you with a microphone and a camera crew, you should run like she's Johnny Carcosa. On occasion what the activists think they want may happen coincidentally to align with what the system wants, and from that moment on they will be lead to believe they are making a difference, which means they're making money for someone else.
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"Cyberbullying is a huge problem!" Yes, but not because it is hurtful, HA! no one cares about your feelings-- but because criticism makes women want to be more private-- and the privacy of the women is bad. The women have to be online, they do most of the clicking and receive most of the clicks. Anonymous cyberbullying is a barrier to increasing consumption, it's gotta go.
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To understand what's really happening, start from basics: if you're reading it, it's for you. I assume you're not a cyberbully or a stalker. So do you have any power to abolish anonymity?
If Hess has made you wonder, hmm, maybe unrestricted anonymity is bad because it gives trolls too much power, then the system has successfully used her for its true purpose: brand it as bad, to you. She is unwittingly teaching the demo of this article, e.g. women in their 20s with no actual power looking to establish themselves, who are the very people who should embrace anonymity, not to want this: only rapists and too-weak-to-try rapists want to be anonymous. Smart women write clickable articles about their sexuality for nothing, because what good are you if you can't make someone else money?

Remember: Whenever you're raging helplessly about "SJWs censoring and controlling and ruining the internet," you're thinking exactly what the media wants you to think.

[Neonivek]

Remember: Whenever you're raging helplessly about "SJWs censoring and controlling and ruining the internet," you're thinking exactly what the media wants you to think.

Well no... I can distinguish the difference between the two.

People will ALWAYS try to paint the opposition in extremist colors, whether or not they are.

[Loud Whispers]

SJWs Internet moralists* have as much political power as cats. They can sometimes be annoyingly noisy, or scratch furniture, or chew cables, or piss on the bed, or puke on the keyboard, or... well, whatever they do, the point is that being a nuisance does not make you powerful.**


_{* I prefer this term because it has less usage as a snarl word for non-stupid, non-internet people.
** This is one of the Iron Rules of Politics, in case you haven't noticed.}

When you're wrecking the inventor of Javascript and Nobel laureates, banning thoughtcrime from campuses to countries and you fucking dominate the politics of three continents you are far more than annoying. Just look at Oxford and Cambridge - two intellectual centers of Western civilization and the world. They don't give a fuck about free speech or challenging ideas, they want to get rid of everything they find problematic. These centers produce the leaders of tomorrow and the majority of middling managers and controllers of the Western world. 1 in 7 world leaders studied in UK Universities. This is a staggering amount of influence that lets people get away with the witch hunts, curtailing free speech from University to State level (last year they tried banning criticizing Islam and Feminism. The latter of which you will note have great enthusiasm for censoring and false flagging, and just so happen to be sitting in the U.N. making the case for making a "safe" internet.

^Pretty much this. Frumple just happens to live in a place where they're more reserved. In europe and parts of south america, SJW dweebs are everywhere and often have connections with the government, who's all too happy to use them cannon fodder and leverage to silence all opposition and have them lobby for anything the government wants. Cue calling all oposition "fascists" and silencing any speech that doesn't support their own.
Hell, look at Brazil, who's currently fighting to remove a 12 year old corrupt as all hell lefty government from power. The only guys actualy defending the government are the so called "social movements" that claim to "represent the opressed minorities", and who just happen to gain ludicrous ammount of public funding, and some of them may even have ties with south american dictatorships. Things are getting specially heated now that Argentina kicked Kirchner and her cronies out.

These aren't fringe crazy cat ladies, control the Academia and you will have the future leaders and consumers all on the same page. They've decided in this case that all must be fighting all that is problematic by any means necessary, there are no such things as bad tactics and only good targets. Remember, racists are subhuman, and racists are people I don't like.
Do you know what the politics in Britain is like? I can't comment on South America, but I can for Britain. Our police and councilors covered up so many rape gangs I've lost count, and they're still going on. Our Rotherham MP Sarah Champion is getting on average 10 more English girls a week, where some of them had been branded as chattel and all raped and groomed and passed around - the police and councilors of course having also destroyed evidence to maintain social cohesion, and the media also keeping quiet about it in the runup to the elections. No national taskforce has been set up in spite of state commissioners being sent to take over from the corrupt councilors. One of them, Rochdale - is fucking notable because when people said there were Pakistanis who were treating prepubescent English girls as meat they were called racist by the media and by its MP Cyril Smith (who is now himself under raped one of the boys working for him). The reports that came out determined that the local councilors were worried about appearing racist so brushed it all under the rug letting several thousand English girls be turned into sex slaves because. The identity politics is so prevalent and the SJW mentality so strong that our largest left wing party is currently undergoing infighting because its communist leader has been accused of harassing and bullying his centre-left party members and the accusation that has picked up the most is his bullying of women MPs. His supporters are in turn trying to get these MPs replaced with their own and are shaming them on Facebook and Twitter for not being left wing enough to their liking. And then it comes to the internet where if I don't have to worry about Joexirphine Bloggs and xir echo et al or the U.N. cucking it out, I have to worry about my own Cuckservative government (who also all come from Oxbridge, incidentally with all three main parties "left" and "right" all united against the only party whose leader didn't go to Oxbridge) trying to curtail freedom of speech on the internet (already succeeded in real life) with expanded anti-trolling and the excision of """"hate"""" from the internet. And to top it all off if they fail to get these kinds of laws through Parliament they just get the EU to pass these laws. The war on hate has only one response from me: Consume a bag of poz'd dicks
They are such a powerful tool, heck you may remember when I posted about our local ex-MP Lutfur Rahman who got away with years of corruption, literally stealing ballot boxes and council tax money by calling everyone who investigated him racist. We had people posting on youtube Rahman's lads literally storming voting booths and stealing the ballot boxes and when the BBC sent their guys to investigate they backed out when Rahman called them racist. It took a year after that for a shitlord Commissioner to rekt him.

SJWs have as much political power as cats.

People baking Jihad cakes for instagram, people trying to summon skinwalkers, people tipping tinfoil hats; they've got as much power as cats. Funny on the internet. SJWs are much more.
Before we had to curtail freedom of speech to catch pedophiles and if you didn't support them you were a pedophile, then we had to curtail freedom of speech to catch terrorists and if you didn't support them you were a terrorist (they failed), then we had to curtail freedom of speech to catch subhuman racists and it's done.

[SirQuiamus]

*snip*

There are quite a few things in that post, but here's just a quick note Re: colleges:

I've only seen that shit happen in hugely expensive and prestigious private universities à la Oxbridge and Ivy League. There's nothing---not even the earliest warning signs---of that sort going on in rinky-dink Finnish state universities, for example.

I wonder why that is?

EDIT: Also, LW: Everyone's heard that Rochdale stuff so many times that you can stop posting it now, thanks. It's blood-curdlingly heinous and wrong, but (at the risk of sounding callous) so what? There's nothing we can do about your shitty corrupt officials in your country---we can only hope that you guys will succeed in smoking them out of their offices and throwing them in jail, if that's what they deserve.

[GiglameshDespair]

EDIT: Also, LW: Everyone's heard that Rochdale stuff so many times that you can stop posting it now, thanks. It's blood-curdlingly heinous and wrong, but (at the risk of sounding callous) so what? There's nothing we can do about your shitty corrupt officials in your country---we can only hope that you guys will succeed in smoking them out of their offices and throwing them in jail, if that's what they deserve.

Because it's relevant?
Because it's a direct fucking result of the PC era?

So when people say that SJWs and the like have no affect, the travesty that is Rochdale is a current and continuous example of why they're wrong.