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[Shazbot]

I like to think I'm reasonably capable of modding Dwarf Fortress, but since D42 came out one of my previous Entity entries kept crashing at the pre-worldgen load, during "finalizing entities". I managed to isolate it down to this entry by removing all the entities and adding them one at a time. If anyone can spot my error, let me know.

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[ENTITY:DESERT]
[ALL_MAIN_POPS_CONTROLLABLE]
[CREATURE:MURRITE]
[TRANSLATION:MURRITE]
[DIGGER:ITEM_WEAPON_PICK]
[WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_AXE_HAND]
[WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_AXE_BATTLE]
[WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_SPEAR]
[WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_MACE]
[WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_BOW]
[AMMO:ITEM_AMMO_ARROWS]
[WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_GUN]
[AMMO:ITEM_AMMO_BULLETS]
[WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_SWORD_LONG]
[WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_FLAIL]
[WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_MORNINGSTAR]
[WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_DAGGER_LARGE]
[WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_AXE_TRAINING]
[WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_SWORD_SHORT_TRAINING]
[WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_SPEAR_TRAINING]
[ARMOR:ITEM_ARMOR_BREASTPLATE:COMMON]
[ARMOR:ITEM_ARMOR_MAIL_SHIRT:COMMON]
[ARMOR:ITEM_ARMOR_LEATHER:COMMON]
[ARMOR:ITEM_ARMOR_TUNIC:COMMON]
[ARMOR:ITEM_ARMOR_SHIRT:UNCOMMON]
[ARMOR:ITEM_ARMOR_CAPE:COMMON]
[ARMOR:ITEM_ARMOR_DRESS:COMMON]
[ARMOR:ITEM_ARMOR_ROBE:COMMON]
[HELM:ITEM_HELM_HELM:UNCOMMON]
[HELM:ITEM_HELM_CAP:COMMON]
[HELM:ITEM_HELM_VEIL_HEAD:COMMON]
[HELM:ITEM_HELM_SCARF_HEAD:COMMON]
[HELM:ITEM_HELM_TURBAN:COMMON]
[GLOVES:ITEM_GLOVES_GAUNTLETS:COMMON]
[GLOVES:ITEM_GLOVES_GLOVES:COMMON]
[SHOES:ITEM_SHOES_BOOTS_LOW:COMMON]
[SHOES:ITEM_SHOES_SANDAL:COMMON]
[SHOES:ITEM_SHOES_CHAUSSE:UNCOMMON]
[SHOES:ITEM_SHOES_SOCKS:COMMON]
[PANTS:ITEM_PANTS_GREAVES:COMMON]
[PANTS:ITEM_PANTS_LOINCLOTH:COMMON]
[PANTS:ITEM_PANTS_SKIRT:COMMON]
[PANTS:ITEM_PANTS_SKIRT_SHORT:COMMON]
[PANTS:ITEM_PANTS_SKIRT_LONG:COMMON]
[SHIELD:ITEM_SHIELD_ROUND]
[SHIELD:ITEM_SHIELD_BUCKLER]
[SIEGEAMMO:ITEM_SIEGEAMMO_BALLISTA]
[TRAPCOMP:ITEM_TRAPCOMP_GIANTAXEBLADE]
[TRAPCOMP:ITEM_TRAPCOMP_ENORMOUSCORKSCREW]
[TRAPCOMP:ITEM_TRAPCOMP_SPIKEDBALL]
[TRAPCOMP:ITEM_TRAPCOMP_LARGESERRATEDDISC]
[TRAPCOMP:ITEM_TRAPCOMP_MENACINGSPIKE]
[TOY:ITEM_TOY_PUZZLEBOX]
[TOY:ITEM_TOY_BOAT]
[TOY:ITEM_TOY_HAMMER]
[TOY:ITEM_TOY_AXE]
[TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_CAULDRON]
[TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_LADLE]
[TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_BOWL]
[TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_MORTAR]
[TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_PESTLE]
[TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_KNIFE_CARVING]
[TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_KNIFE_BONING]
[TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_KNIFE_SLICING]
[TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_KNIFE_MEAT_CLEAVER]
[TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_FORK_CARVING]
[TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_NEST_BOX]
[TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_JUG]
[TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_LARGE_POT]
[TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_HIVE]
[TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_POUCH]
[TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_WHEELBARROW]
[TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_SCROLL_ROLLERS]
[TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_BOOK_BINDING]
[TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_SCROLL]
[TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_QUIRE]
[TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_BOOKCASE]
[CLOTHING]
[CURRENCY:COPPER:1]
[CURRENCY:SILVER:10]
[CURRENCY:GOLD:100]
[SELECT_SYMBOL:WAR:NAME_WAR]
[SUBSELECT_SYMBOL:WAR:VIOLENT]
[SELECT_SYMBOL:BATTLE:NAME_BATTLE]
[SUBSELECT_SYMBOL:BATTLE:VIOLENT]
[SELECT_SYMBOL:SIEGE:NAME_SIEGE]
[SUBSELECT_SYMBOL:SIEGE:VIOLENT]
[SELECT_SYMBOL:ROAD:NAME_ROAD]
[SELECT_SYMBOL:TUNNEL:NAME_TUNNEL]
[SELECT_SYMBOL:BRIDGE:NAME_BRIDGE]
[SELECT_SYMBOL:WALL:NAME_WALL]
[CULL_SYMBOL:ALL:UNTOWARD]
[SELECT_SYMBOL:CIV:NAME_ENTITY_KINGDOM]
[SELECT_SYMBOL:SITE:NAME_ENTITY_TOWN_FOUNDER]
[RIVER_PRODUCTS]
[METAL_PREF]
[GEM_PREF]
[STONE_PREF]
[OUTDOOR_WOOD]
[OUTDOOR_FARMING]
[OUTDOOR_GARDENS]
[USE_ANIMAL_PRODUCTS]
[COMMON_DOMESTIC_PACK]
[COMMON_DOMESTIC_PULL]
[COMMON_DOMESTIC_MOUNT]
[COMMON_DOMESTIC_PET]
[USE_MISC_PROCESSED_WOOD_PRODUCTS]
[EQUIPMENT_IMPROVEMENTS]
[SPHERE_ALIGNMENT:WAR:512]
[ART_FACET_MODIFIER:FANCIFUL:640]
[ART_FACET_MODIFIER:OWN_RACE:512]
[FRIENDLY_COLOR:7:0:1]
[UNDEAD_CANDIDATE]
[ABUSE_BODIES]
[DEFAULT_SITE_TYPE:CITY]
[LIKES_SITE:CITY]
[TOLERATES_SITE:CITY]
[START_BIOME:SAVANNA_TROPICAL]
[BIOME_SUPPORT:ANY_DESERT:2]
[BIOME_SUPPORT:GRASSLAND_TROPICAL:3]
[BIOME_SUPPORT:SAVANNA_TROPICAL:3]
[BIOME_SUPPORT:SHRUBLAND_TROPICAL:3]
[BIOME_SUPPORT:RIVER_TROPICAL_FRESHWATER:5]
[MERCHANT_BODYGUARDS]
[PROGRESS_TRIGGER_TRADE:1]
[PROGRESS_TRIGGER_POP_SIEGE:3]
[PROGRESS_TRIGGER_PROD_SIEGE:4]
[PROGRESS_TRIGGER_TRADE_SIEGE:5]
[ACTIVE_SEASON:SPRING]
[SIEGER]
[MAX_STARTING_CIV_NUMBER:100]
[MAX_POP_NUMBER:10000]
[MAX_SITE_POP_NUMBER:120]
[RELIGION:PANTHEON]
[WANDERER]
[BEAST_HUNTER]
[SCOUT]
[MERCENARY]
[SET_SCHOLARS_ON_VALUES_AND_JOBS]
[PERMITTED_JOB:MINER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:CARPENTER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:BOWYER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:WOODCUTTER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:ENGRAVER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:MASON]
[PERMITTED_JOB:ANIMAL_CARETAKER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:ANIMAL_TRAINER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:HUNTER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:TRAPPER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:ANIMAL_DISSECTOR]
[PERMITTED_JOB:FURNACE_OPERATOR]
[PERMITTED_JOB:WEAPONSMITH]
[PERMITTED_JOB:ARMORER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:BLACKSMITH]
[PERMITTED_JOB:METALCRAFTER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:GEM_CUTTER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:GEM_SETTER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:WOODCRAFTER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:STONECRAFTER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:LEATHERWORKER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:BONE_CARVER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:WEAVER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:CLOTHIER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:GLASSMAKER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:FISHERMAN]
[PERMITTED_JOB:FISH_DISSECTOR]
[PERMITTED_JOB:FISH_CLEANER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:CHEESE_MAKER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:MILKER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:SHEARER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:SPINNER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:GELDER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:COOK]
[PERMITTED_JOB:THRESHER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:MILLER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:BUTCHER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:TANNER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:DYER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:PLANTER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:HERBALIST]
[PERMITTED_JOB:BREWER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:SOAP_MAKER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:POTASH_MAKER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:LYE_MAKER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:WOOD_BURNER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:MECHANIC]
[PERMITTED_JOB:SIEGE_ENGINEER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:SIEGE_OPERATOR]
[PERMITTED_JOB:PUMP_OPERATOR]
[PERMITTED_JOB:CLERK]
[PERMITTED_JOB:ADMINISTRATOR]
[PERMITTED_JOB:TRADER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:ARCHITECT]
[PERMITTED_JOB:DIAGNOSER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:BONE_SETTER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:SUTURER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:SURGEON]
[PERMITTED_JOB:GLAZER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:POTTER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:PRESSER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:BEEKEEPER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:WAX_WORKER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:PAPERMAKER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:BOOKBINDER]
[PERMITTED_BUILDING:SOAP_MAKER]
[PERMITTED_BUILDING:SCREW_PRESS]
[PERMITTED_BUILDING:SAWMILL]
[PERMITTED_BUILDING:STUDY]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_CHARCOAL_2]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:STUDY_DESIGNBUILDING]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:PRACTICE_DIAGNOSE_WOUND]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:PRACTICE_DRESS_WOUNDS]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:PRACTICE_SURGERY]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:PRACTICE_SUTURE]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:PRACTICE_SET_BONE]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:STUDY_MILITARY_TACTICS]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:STUDY_LEADERSHIP]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:STUDY_ORGANIZATION]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:STUDY_TEACHING]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:STUDY_STUDENT]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:TAN_A_HIDE]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:RENDER_FAT]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_SOAP_FROM_TALLOW]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_SOAP_FROM_OIL]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MILL_SEEDS_NUTS_TO_PASTE]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_CLAY_JUG]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_CLAY_BRICKS]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_CLAY_STATUE]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_LARGE_CLAY_POT]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_CLAY_CRAFTS]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_QUICKLIME]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_MILK_OF_LIME]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_PARCHMENT]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_SCROLL]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_QUIRE]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_SHEET_FROM_PLANT]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_SLURRY_FROM_PLANT]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:PRESS_PLANT_PAPER]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:BIND_BOOK]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GLAZE_JUG]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GLAZE_STATUE]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GLAZE_LARGE_POT]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GLAZE_CRAFT]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:PRESS_OIL]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:PRESS_OIL_FRUIT]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_CLAY_HIVE]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:PRESS_HONEYCOMB]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_WAX_CRAFTS]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:BREW_DRINK_FROM_PLANT]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:BREW_DRINK_FROM_PLANT_GROWTH]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_MEAD]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:PROCESS_PLANT_TO_BAG]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:CUT_WOOD]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:ANTHRACITE_COAL_TO_COKE]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:BITUMINOUS_COAL_TO_COKE]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:LIGNITE_TO_COKE]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:BRASS_MAKING]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:BRASS_MAKING2]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:BRONZE_MAKING]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:BRONZE_MAKING2]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:ELECTRUM_MAKING]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:ELECTRUM_MAKING2]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:BILLON_MAKING]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:BILLON_MAKING2]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:BULLET_CASTING]
[WORLD_CONSTRUCTION:WALL]
[WORLD_CONSTRUCTION:BRIDGE]
[WORLD_CONSTRUCTION:ROAD]
[ETHIC:KILL_ENTITY_MEMBER:JUSTIFIED_IF_GOOD_REASON]
[ETHIC:KILL_NEUTRAL:JUSTIFIED_IF_NO_REPERCUSSIONS]
[ETHIC:KILL_ENEMY:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:KILL_ANIMAL:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:KILL_PLANT:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:TORTURE_AS_EXAMPLE:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:TORTURE_FOR_INFORMATION:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:TORTURE_FOR_FUN:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:TORTURE_ANIMALS:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:TREASON:PUNISH_CAPITAL]
[ETHIC:OATH_BREAKING:PUNISH_CAPITAL]
[ETHIC:LYING:PUNISH_SERIOUS]
[ETHIC:VANDALISM:PUNISH_SERIOUS]
[ETHIC:TRESPASSING:PUNISH_SERIOUS]
[ETHIC:THEFT:PUNISH_CAPITAL]
[ETHIC:ASSAULT:PERSONAL_MATTER]
[ETHIC:SLAVERY:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_OTHER:SHUN]
[ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_KILL:SHUN]
[ETHIC:MAKE_TROPHY_SAME_RACE:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:MAKE_TROPHY_SAPIENT:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:MAKE_TROPHY_ANIMAL:ACCEPTABLE]
[VALUE:LAW:50]
[VALUE:LOYALTY:0]
[VALUE:FAMILY:10]
[VALUE:FRIENDSHIP:5]
[VALUE:POWER:50]
[VALUE:TRUTH:0]
[VALUE:CUNNING:20]
[VALUE:ELOQUENCE:0]
[VALUE:FAIRNESS:0]
[VALUE:DECORUM:10]
[VALUE:TRADITION:0]
[VALUE:ARTWORK:0]
[VALUE:COOPERATION:0]
[VALUE:INDEPENDENCE:5]
[VALUE:STOICISM:0]
[VALUE:INTROSPECTION:0]
[VALUE:SELF_CONTROL:15]
[VALUE:TRANQUILITY:0]
[VALUE:HARMONY:0]
[VALUE:MERRIMENT:15]
[VALUE:CRAFTSMANSHIP:5]
[VALUE:MARTIAL_PROWESS:50]
[VALUE:SKILL:15]
[VALUE:HARD_WORK:15]
[VALUE:SACRIFICE:0]
[VALUE:COMPETITION:0]
[VALUE:PERSEVERENCE:15]
[VALUE:LEISURE_TIME:0]
[VALUE:COMMERCE:15]
[VALUE:ROMANCE:0]
[VALUE:NATURE:0]
[VALUE:PEACE:0]
[WILL_ACCEPT_TRIBUTE]
[VARIABLE_POSITIONS:ALL]
[SITE_VARIABLE_POSITIONS:ALL]
[BUILDS_OUTDOOR_FORTIFICATIONS]
[BUILDS_OUTDOOR_TOMBS]
[BANDITRY:10]
[TISSUE_STYLE:MOUSTACHE]
[TS_MAINTAIN_LENGTH:NONE:NONE]
[TS_PREFERRED_SHAPING:STANDARD_MOUSTACHE_SHAPINGS]
[TISSUE_STYLE:BEARD]
[TS_MAINTAIN_LENGTH:NONE:NONE]
[TS_PREFERRED_SHAPING:STANDARD_BEARD_SHAPINGS]
[POSITION:LEADER]
[NAME:priest-king:priest-kings]
[SPOUSE_FEMALE:priest-king's concubine:priest-kings' concubines]
[SITE]
[NUMBER:1]
[SUCCESSION:BY_HEIR]
[MENIAL_WORK_EXEMPTION]
[PUNISHMENT_EXEMPTION]
[RULES_FROM_LOCATION]
[GENDER:MALE]
[PRECEDENCE:1]
[FLASHES]
[DETERMINES_COIN_DESIGN]
[RESPONSIBILITY:RELIGION]
[RESPONSIBILITY:TRADE]
[RESPONSIBILITY:ACCOUNTING]
[RESPONSIBILITY:MAKE_TOPIC_AGREEMENTS]
[RESPONSIBILITY:LAW_MAKING]
[RESPONSIBILITY:MANAGE_PRODUCTION]
[RESPONSIBILITY:RECEIVE_DIPLOMATS]
[RESPONSIBILITY:HEALTH_MANAGEMENT]
[RESPONSIBILITY:LAW_ENFORCEMENT]
[BRAG_ON_KILL]
[CHAT_WORTHY]
[DO_NOT_CULL]
[KILL_QUEST]
[EXPORTED_IN_LEGENDS]
[COLOR:2:0:1]
[DUTY_BOUND]
[POSITION:GENERAL]
[NAME:general:generals]
[SPOUSE_FEMALE:general's concubine:generals' concubines]
[SITE]
[NUMBER:1]
[SQUAD:5:guard:guards]
[RULES_FROM_LOCATION]
[SUCCESSION:BY_POSITION:LIEUTENANT]
[MENIAL_WORK_EXEMPTION]
[MENIAL_WORK_EXEMPTION_SPOUSE]
[PUNISHMENT_EXEMPTION]
[RESPONSIBILITY:MILITARY_GOALS]
[RESPONSIBILITY:MILITARY_STRATEGY]
[DETERMINES_COIN_DESIGN]
[GENDER:MALE]
[PRECEDENCE:2]
[FLASHES]
[BRAG_ON_KILL]
[CHAT_WORTHY]
[DO_NOT_CULL]
[KILL_QUEST]
[EXPORTED_IN_LEGENDS]
[COLOR:7:0:1]
[DUTY_BOUND]
[POSITION:CAPTAIN]
[SITE]
[NAME:slavedriver:slavedrivers]
[APPOINTED_BY:GENERAL]
[NUMBER:AS_NEEDED]
[SQUAD:10:slave-warrior:slave-warriors]
[RESPONSIBILITY:ATTACK_ENEMIES]
[RESPONSIBILITY:PATROL_TERRITORY]
[GENDER:MALE]
[PRECEDENCE:200]
[DO_NOT_CULL]
[STONE_SHAPE:OVAL_CABOCHON]
[STONE_SHAPE:ROUND_CABOCHON]
[STONE_SHAPE:CUSHION_CABOCHON]
[STONE_SHAPE:RECTANGULAR_CABOCHON]
[GEM_SHAPE:OVAL_CABOCHON]
[GEM_SHAPE:ROUND_CABOCHON]
[GEM_SHAPE:RECTANGULAR_CABOCHON]
[GEM_SHAPE:POINT_CUT_GEM]
[GEM_SHAPE:TABLE_CUT_GEM]
[GEM_SHAPE:SINGLE_CUT_GEM]
[GEM_SHAPE:EMERALD_CUT_GEM]
[GEM_SHAPE:OVAL_CUT_GEM]
[GEM_SHAPE:PEAR_CUT_GEM]
[GEM_SHAPE:OCTAGON_CUT_GEM]
[GEM_SHAPE:SQUARE_CUT_GEM]
[GENERATE_STRINGED_INSTRUMENTS]
[GENERATE_WIND_INSTRUMENTS]
[GENERATE_PERCUSSION_INSTRUMENTS]
[GENERATE_POETIC_FORMS]
[GENERATE_MUSICAL_FORMS]
[GENERATE_DANCE_FORMS]

Went for kind of a human bronze-aged Ba'al cult desert barbarian theme.

[Demonic Gophers]

CULL_SYMBOL:ALL:UNTOWARD

I had that problem when updating one of my mods for the latest version, too.

[BoogieMan]

I'm only a novice modder at best, so I may not be of much help but are you sure the custom reaction and items are properly set up and defined elsewhere?

Such as:

[WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_GUN]
      [AMMO:ITEM_AMMO_BULLETS]

and

[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_CHARCOAL_2]

[thedonkified]

I had the same problem actually, and it was caused by the [GENERATE_DANCE_FORMS] token. See if cancelling out that token stops the crashing.

[Shazbot]

Thanks for the suggestions, I wouldn't have looked at those.

Yeah, I've made a reaction to create charcoal via the kiln and slings and bullets. I suppose I could publish some time.