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[Roses]

As far as I know it is not possible to make a plant have a growth that never grows. You could make a second plant that doesn't appear anywhere but that has the salad growth and then the reaction turns your plant into the salad growth of the other plant, but I believe you would have to have a separate reaction for each plant if you wanted different types of salads, or you could have all the different plants make the same salad with just a single reaction.

[Ryga_]

Looking through the vanilla plant RAWs, things have been pretty confusing so far. I'm aware of ways to make a single generic Salad, but I'm hopeful I can figure out a way to generalize it so I can create "turnip salad" and "carrot salad" from the same reaction solely based on using different source reagents. If I have to I'll stick to a generic food item, but gonna keep trying until it's proven not able to be done =)

Does anyone know a reaction that just takes something like wood or stone and spits out a PLANT_GROWTH leaf item?

[Amostubal]

As far as I know it is not possible to make a plant have a growth that never grows. You could make a second plant that doesn't appear anywhere but that has the salad growth and then the reaction turns your plant into the salad growth of the other plant, but I believe you would have to have a separate reaction for each plant if you wanted different types of salads, or you could have all the different plants make the same salad with just a single reaction.

ahhh I thought the growth had already been formed on the plant... then you could make it appear like PLANT_GROWTH:FRUIT:....

Yeah I would go the fake plant route.... basically a completely edible plant, but no biomes no planting allowed*, forget to give it seeds, just that one growth.  and block it from being cooked... The only issue I see is that it wont be connected to the original... personally If I wanted salads to appear in food stores I'd just make a:

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[ITEM_FOOD:ITEM_CHEFS_SALAD]
[NAME:chef's salad]
[LEVEL:2]

[ITEM_FOOD:ITEM_CEASER_SALAD]
[NAME:ceaser salad]
[LEVEL:3]

[ITEM_FOOD:ITEM_AMOSTUBALIAN_SALAD]
[NAME:amostubalian salad]
[LEVEL:4]

and laugh as my dwarfs ate Amostubalian Salad made from the finest cuts of Forgotten Beast Meat stewed in Forgotten Beast Tallow covering a layer of the finest portabellos... or whatever the game comes up with as a description... (honestly I'd use a DFHack script to mod the description).

[Roses]

Looking through the vanilla plant RAWs, things have been pretty confusing so far. I'm aware of ways to make a single generic Salad, but I'm hopeful I can figure out a way to generalize it so I can create "turnip salad" and "carrot salad" from the same reaction solely based on using different source reagents. If I have to I'll stick to a generic food item, but gonna keep trying until it's proven not able to be done =)

Does anyone know a reaction that just takes something like wood or stone and spits out a PLANT_GROWTH leaf item?

Well I don't see why your PLANT_GROWTH product wouldn't work, unless it just isn't possible to create a PLANT_GROWTH that isn't defined in the raws somewhere. The only thing left to try would be to change your MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT into a REACTION_CLASS and change your product to PLANT_GROWTH:NONE:GET_MATERIAL_FROM_REAGENT:plant:SALAD. Maybe PLANT_GROWTHs don't like the MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT?

[Ryga_]

I initially modded the food raw after realizing you can't pass syndromes through ingredients to the meals. Nothing like the chef making a batch of "Dog Tallow Surprise"!

I actually forgot about ITEM_REACTION_PRODUCT, so I'm now using that to specify the exact custom plant for each vanilla plant while only using one reaction at the workshop.

So I'm just adding the following to Plump Helmets:

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[ITEM_REACTION_PRODUCT:MAKES_SALAD:PLANT:MUSHROOM_HELMET_PLUMP_SALAD:PLANT_MAT:MUSHROOM_HELMET_PLUMP_SALAD:SALAD]
And then the following to Mango Fruits:

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[ITEM_REACTION_PRODUCT:MAKES_SALAD:PLANT:MANGO_SALAD:PLANT_MAT:MANGO_SALAD:SALAD]
And the reaction contains the following:

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[REAGENT:plant:1:PLANT:NONE:NONE:NONE]
[HAS_ITEM_REACTION_PRODUCT:MAKES_SALAD]
[UNROTTEN]
[PRODUCT:100:1:GET_ITEM_DATA_FROM_REAGENT:plant:MAKES_SALAD]
So far it's working!

Well I don't see why your PLANT_GROWTH product wouldn't work, unless it just isn't possible to create a PLANT_GROWTH that isn't defined in the raws somewhere. The only thing left to try would be to change your MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT into a REACTION_CLASS and change your product to PLANT_GROWTH:NONE:GET_MATERIAL_FROM_REAGENT:plant:SALAD. Maybe PLANT_GROWTHs don't like the MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT?

I have a feeling that's the case since the only way I could get it to work inside the vanilla plant RAW was to make a dummy growth that existed for a single tick on the plant. I think the game is creating a blank PLANT_GROWTH object and partially attaching the correct material, but it's somehow incomplete using my initial method. The blank products I got always had the correct edible tags and material colors but would never be stockpiled or eaten. I will try your REACTION_CLASS suggestion later today for science for sure

Thanks for the help everyone!

[Amostubal]

@Ryga:
I keep looking at it and the one thing I thought about, we are going the wrong way about it... I was looking at it over and over, and its just that its definitely not complete.  I was going through it and here's what I see.

spoiler blocked this because you responded while I was putting it together.

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okay so the Plump Helmet code:

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[PLANT:MUSHROOM_HELMET_PLUMP]
[NAME:plump helmet][NAME_PLURAL:plump helmets][ADJ:plump helmet]

Every plant needs a structural material so that the game knows how it behaves when it's alive.

Here the material is added to the plant, using a template from the material file.

[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:STRUCTURAL:STRUCTURAL_PLANT_TEMPLATE]
[MATERIAL_VALUE:2]
[MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT:DRINK_MAT:LOCAL_PLANT_MAT:DRINK]
[MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT:SEED_MAT:LOCAL_PLANT_MAT:SEED]
[MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT:MILL_MAT:LOCAL_PLANT_MAT:MILL]

######## ADD THIS LINE HERE, WE WANT THE STRUCTURE MATERIAL TO PRODUCE THE SALAD ########
[MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT:SALAD_MAT:LOCAL_PLANT_MAT:SALAD]

[BASIC_MAT:LOCAL_PLANT_MAT:STRUCTURAL]

We also modify it a bit to make the plant edible.  Any token material can be used here to modify the material that was created from the template.
[EDIBLE_VERMIN]
[EDIBLE_RAW]
[EDIBLE_COOKED]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:MUSHROOM:MUSHROOM_TEMPLATE]
[EDIBLE_VERMIN]
[EDIBLE_RAW]
[EDIBLE_COOKED]
[PICKED_TILE:6][PICKED_COLOR:5:0:0][DEAD_PICKED_TILE:6]
[GROWDUR:300][VALUE:2][REACTION_CLASS:DYE]

##### NOW IT STARTS TO DEFINE ITS OTHER MATERIALS, SO LETS DEFINE THE NEW ONE HERE TOO #####
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SALAD:SALAD_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL:plumpy mushroom salad]
[MATERIAL_VALUE:2]
[DISPLAY_COLOR:5:0:0]
[EDIBLE_VERMIN]
[EDIBLE_RAW]
[EDIBLE_COOKED]
##### RIGHT HERE ITS NOT ATTACHED TO ANYTHING SO THE GAME DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO DO ANYTHING WITH IT, YET. #####

....
#### GO TO END OF PLUMP HELMET AND ADD THIS, STOLEN FROM STRAWBERRIES. ####
[GROWTH:SALAD]
[GROWTH_NAME:plumpy mushroom salad:plumpy mushroom salads]
[GROWTH_ITEM:PLANT_GROWTH:NONE:LOCAL_PLANT_MAT:SALAD]
[GROWTH_DENSITY:1]<- don't think it does anything.
[GROWTH_HOST_TILE:BRANCHES_AND_TWIGS]<- bushes don't have these I think, at least they aren't defined above.
[GROWTH_TIMING:0:1]<- short as possible on the first day of spring.
[GROWTH_PRINT:0:15:10:12:0:120000:200000:3] <-timing of the print is not the same as growth so it wont show up... don't know if it even needs this.



after that it should be able to created from the line:

[PRODUCT:100:1:PLANT_GROWTH:SALAD:GET_MATERIAL_FROM_REAGENT:plant:SALAD]

but if you want to keep going the route your using now (ITEM_REACTION_PRODUCT), I would suggest using 1 fake plant and putting all the growths there. less lines/less plant definitions. so in each plant you make a line that says:
[ITEM_REACTION_PRODUCT:MAKES_SALAD:PLANT:PLANT_SALAD:PLANT_MAT:PLANT_FAKEY:PLUMP_HELMET_SALAD]


you can pass syndromes through ingredients to meals created in the kitchen...
happens all the time if your using ZM5's Mossrovas.  Its done through this coding here:

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        [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:MUSCLE:MUSCLE_TEMPLATE]
              [SYNDROME]
[SYN_NAME:terrifying hallucinations]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
[SYN_IMMUNE_CREATURE:MOSSROVA:ALL]
                        [SYN_INGESTED]
                        [CE_FEEL_EMOTION:EMOTION:HORROR:SEV:1000:PROB:100:START:0:PEAK:400:END:1300]
                        [CE_DIZZINESS:SEV:25:PROB:100:RESISTABLE:SIZE_DILUTES:START:0:PEAK:100:END:400]
                        [CE_ADD_TAG:TRANCES:START:100:END:1300]
                        [CE_NAUSEA:SEV:65:PROB:100:RESISTABLE:SIZE_DILUTES:START:100:PEAK:400:END:800]
                        [CE_FEEL_EMOTION:EMOTION:RAGE:SEV:1000:PROB:100:START:400:PEAK:700:END:1300]
                        [CE_CHANGE_PERSONALITY:FACET:ANGER_PROPENSITY:100:PROB:100:SIZE_DILUTES:START:400:PEAK:600:END:1300]
                        [CE_ADD_TAG:CRAZED:START:400:END:1300]


eating the meat raw, or cooked into a meal doesn't matter.  the meat is considered a part of the meal and the meal will cause the syndrome.  I had several insane parties because of a hunter dropping a mossrova while I wasn't paying attention. 

[Ryga_]

Are you talking about normal ingested or prepared meals? Afaik ingested syndromes don't get passed to prepared meals which was my original intent. I would only have to swap a few material lines in the plant definitions if that were the case. Or at least that's what I was informed prior to version 43.

but if you want to keep going the route your using now (ITEM_REACTION_PRODUCT), I would suggest using 1 fake plant and putting all the growths there. less lines/less plant definitions. so in each plant you make a line that says:
[ITEM_REACTION_PRODUCT:MAKES_SALAD:PLANT:PLANT_SALAD:PLANT_MAT:PLANT_FAKEY:PLUMP_HELMET_SALAD]

Good point, I'll probably end up reworking it to operate that way when I do more than the plant_standard RAWs pass =)

[Qev]

Can custom reactions be made to access the advanced 'details' that apply to some of the default ones?  Eg. can a custom reaction that produces a clothing item access the options to choose the race the clothing item is sized for?

[StagnantSoul]

Hey, is it possible to have certain body parts only appear rarely during butchery? Or will I have to make tons and tons of different castes for a creature to say, drop a Rathalos Ruby instead of another Rathalos Talon?

[Ryga_]

Hey, is it possible to have certain body parts only appear rarely during butchery? Or will I have to make tons and tons of different castes for a creature to say, drop a Rathalos Ruby instead of another Rathalos Talon?

You just make a second caste with the Ruby drop and give it a much lower frequency than the other one. Away from computer so can't remember exactly the command, but you'll only have to make one extra caste

[StagnantSoul]

Hey, is it possible to have certain body parts only appear rarely during butchery? Or will I have to make tons and tons of different castes for a creature to say, drop a Rathalos Ruby instead of another Rathalos Talon?

You just make a second caste with the Ruby drop and give it a much lower frequency than the other one. Away from computer so can't remember exactly the command, but you'll only have to make one extra caste

Ah so I will have to go that route, ohwell. What I'm looking to do is add a bunch of monsters, copied from Monster Hunter universe, and add inorganic materials based on their race, say great jaggi stuff is equal to copper, rathalos and rathian bronze, lagiacrus steel, etc, and use those inorganics to add extra butchery objects that you can get after killing them, to make equipment out of in adventure mode. Nothings stopping you from just grabbing equipment from a mead hall like normal, but still it'd be cool to hunt things to make equipment.

[DanielTDS]

If someone could help, I would be very gratefull.

Could you guys give me some insights on what kind of changes do you make to the entity's raws in order to make Fortress Mode an unstopable machine of war (that is, I want to be attacked since the most low siege requirements and to have like 2-4 sieges in a year with different races attacking me)?

I've read 'Entity Token' in the Wiki and made some changes to reach that goal, I've changed the attack requirements for all races, made 3 different goblin tribes, 2 evil humans, 1 evil dwarves and 1 evil elves (added baby snatcher to all of them) but I haven't experienced that desired goal. What kind of changes have you guys already made in entity tokens that made enemies and war more common?

Thanks for the answer!

[StagnantSoul]

If someone could help, I would be very gratefull.

Could you guys give me some insights on what kind of changes do you make to the entity's raws in order to make Fortress Mode an unstopable machine of war (that is, I want to be attacked since the most low siege requirements and to have like 2-4 sieges in a year with different races attacking me)?

I've read 'Entity Token' in the Wiki and made some changes to reach that goal, I've changed the attack requirements for all races, made 3 different goblin tribes, 2 evil humans, 1 evil dwarves and 1 evil elves (added baby snatcher to all of them) but I haven't experienced that desired goal. What kind of changes have you guys already made in entity tokens that made enemies and war more common?

Thanks for the answer!

Try lowering the age to be adult, and doubling their birth rate.

[Legendary Marksdorf]

Is it possible to have a reaction's products be randomly chosen among all metal ores (copper, silver, gold, etc...) ?
If not, how do I make the product a nugget, and not an already refined metal ? Would [PRODUCT:100:1:BOULDER:NONE:IRON:NONE] work, for example ?

[overseer05-15]

@Marksdorf
Go on the wiki and look up 'reaction classes', that should solve your problem. It's at the bottom of the reaction page.