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Author Topic: How do I opt out of Windows 10 "upgrade" and keep Windows 7?  (Read 8441 times)

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Re: How do I opt out of Windows 10 "upgrade" and keep Windows 7?
« Reply #30 on: December 14, 2015, 08:16:22 am »

I looked it up. DVI, HDMI and VGA all report monitor capabilities in the same fashion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_Display_Identification_Data over https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_Data_Channel.

I'm not sure why VGA always seemed so fragile. Possibly because implementing EDID isn't a requirement for VGA because VGA isn't a certification-requiring standard, so it's often left out or done badly?
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Re: How do I opt out of Windows 10 "upgrade" and keep Windows 7?
« Reply #31 on: December 15, 2015, 02:39:24 am »

Microsoft finally managed to make me regret upgrading with this new update. They killed Alt-Tabbing to desktop. Yeah, yeah, Win+D, but that's massively less convenient and doesn't have a decade+ of muscle memory behind it.
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Re: How do I opt out of Windows 10 "upgrade" and keep Windows 7?
« Reply #32 on: December 16, 2015, 06:47:27 pm »

Microsoft finally managed to make me regret upgrading with this new update. They killed Alt-Tabbing to desktop. Yeah, yeah, Win+D, but that's massively less convenient and doesn't have a decade+ of muscle memory behind it.
Actually no, they haven't really killed ALT-Tab. It works a bit differently now (you have to hold down ALT, fer ex), and/or your installation may be uniquely borked somehow, but it's still there... in theory.
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Re: How do I opt out of Windows 10 "upgrade" and keep Windows 7?
« Reply #33 on: December 17, 2015, 03:18:39 am »

Microsoft finally managed to make me regret upgrading with this new update. They killed Alt-Tabbing to desktop. Yeah, yeah, Win+D, but that's massively less convenient and doesn't have a decade+ of muscle memory behind it.
See as a long-time mac user this change actually was a plus in my mind. :P Only thing that's really bugged me so far about Windows 10 on my new computer is it's annoying tendency to reinstall the candy crush and twitter apps every time I restart the computer despite my constant removing of them. I mean sure it still took me a day or so of fiddling with settings right at the start to get everything working nicely, but I've always found that true of any new computer installation. :P
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Re: How do I opt out of Windows 10 "upgrade" and keep Windows 7?
« Reply #34 on: December 17, 2015, 03:33:50 am »

Microsoft finally managed to make me regret upgrading with this new update. They killed Alt-Tabbing to desktop. Yeah, yeah, Win+D, but that's massively less convenient and doesn't have a decade+ of muscle memory behind it.
Actually no, they haven't really killed ALT-Tab. It works a bit differently now (you have to hold down ALT, fer ex), and/or your installation may be uniquely borked somehow, but it's still there... in theory.
Read more carefully. Alt-Tab still works, it's just that it's impossible to do so from a window to your blank desktop. You can go from current window -> last window open, you can hold (as you said) to bring up the panes and switch between them, but you can't use it to minimize a single window when nothing else is open. Prior to this update it worked as per Win7, where you could, and where the desktop was always one of the held alt-tab panes.
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Re: How do I opt out of Windows 10 "upgrade" and keep Windows 7?
« Reply #35 on: December 17, 2015, 08:27:07 am »

Remove KB3035583
This right here, then go into the windows update list, right click on it, and choose "hide update". (If you've gotten far enough along in the process you might need to do the same thing with the "Windows 10" update as well). It's worked great for me so far, no issues here.

This has restored itself several times, for me. It took me uninstalling KB3035583 four times before Windows Update finally gave up trying to shove it on me. I want to use Windows 7 as long as it's supported for.

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Re: How do I opt out of Windows 10 "upgrade" and keep Windows 7?
« Reply #36 on: December 17, 2015, 09:02:06 am »

It always floors me how Microsoft deviates so heavily from their trademarked addage:

Where do you want to go today?

and instead, seem to focus more on

You WILL go HERE today!

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Re: How do I opt out of Windows 10 "upgrade" and keep Windows 7?
« Reply #37 on: December 17, 2015, 10:47:16 am »

I want to use Windows 7 as long as it's supported for.

It's already out of mainstream (feature) support, and is now in extended (security only) support. New software/games are rapidly going to drop support for it, at least once developers start using a newer OS (we're still on Windows 7 ourselves for the moment, but are planning to upgrade).
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Re: How do I opt out of Windows 10 "upgrade" and keep Windows 7?
« Reply #38 on: December 17, 2015, 02:43:50 pm »

This has restored itself several times, for me. It took me uninstalling KB3035583 four times before Windows Update finally gave up trying to shove it on me. I want to use Windows 7 as long as it's supported for.
(StupidQuestion)Did you make sure to hide the update after you uninstalled it? That was a key part of keeping it from being reinstalled automatically.(/StupidQuestion)

It always floors me how Microsoft deviates so heavily from their trademarked addage:
Where do you want to go today?
and instead, seem to focus more on
You WILL go HERE today!
To be fair with the retiring population meaning that more and more users are older people who don't necessarily know how to use computers well this is exactly what you want to do. While taking control out of the hands of the users is something that is very annoying to someone who actually knows what they are doing (even a little bit), it's the exact opposite of what you want grandma and grandpa who have finally been convinced that computers can do cool stuff to be able to have access to. Because I can assure you that if you give them the option to turn off their antivirus and security updates, they will do so, and then come complaining to your support that their virus-filled computer doesn't work anymore. :P With the huge number of baby boomers beginning to retire and look into spending their money on more luxury things like computers, and with many of them smart enough about computers to browse the web and get into trouble, but not smart enough to actually get themselves out of it, an operating system that takes power away like that is exactly something you want. (Note: I'm not saying all Baby Boomers are like this, and I know many who are very computer literate, but I also know that a very substantial portion learned enough computer usage to browse the web and use Facebook, but has never reached the point of learning not to click on suspicious links, or that security updates are actually something you want to run on your computer.)

As a user I hate the idea of Windows 10 and everything it stands for (and I know that I'm in the same boat where my laptop won't be upgrading from 7 to 10 until the very last day of free upgrades), but looking at it from a business side of things knowing that a huge percentage of my users are going to not be knowledgeable enough to use the power I give them for anything other than getting into trouble, and are going to be the ones tying up my support lines if I do give them that power? I think Windows 10 is exactly the right thing for them to do in a business sense if we look at where the money is right now (heck, Mac did the same thing by making certain files not editable even with a sudo command without jumping through several hoops first, they're just a bit less obtrusive about it). Tyranny of the money majority and all that jazz. :P
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Re: How do I opt out of Windows 10 "upgrade" and keep Windows 7?
« Reply #39 on: December 17, 2015, 05:11:02 pm »

As a user I hate the idea of Windows 10 and everything it stands for (and I know that I'm in the same boat where my laptop won't be upgrading from 7 to 10 until the very last day of free upgrades)...
I'm gonna hold on until my computer gives out and they won't sell me Win 7 anymore. Then I'm going to put in a Linux partition and only use Win 10 for games.

I'll probably upgrade my Win 8.1 laptop on the last day, though. Still kind of iffy. At least 8.1 isn't spying on me (to my knowledge), removing my programs, or telling me what updates I want and when. For all I know, Microsoft could decide to remove the ability to use 3rd party utilities like Classic Shell at any time without warning using their new "Windows as a service" model.
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Re: How do I opt out of Windows 10 "upgrade" and keep Windows 7?
« Reply #40 on: December 17, 2015, 07:01:02 pm »

I was forced into using 8.1 on my minnowboard based HTPC build, since the kind of UEFI bios it has does not have any legacy bios features, and win7 requires those features.

I was painful until I installed classic shell. I despise the "app store." It does not belong on a desktop OS. I despise metro apps.

I wish the UX team at microsoft would realize that we dont want that shit, and would give us some boot.ini switches, or some deep registry settings we could enable to disable "mitten mode."

They buried the option to disable digital signature checking on drivers in win8.1; you have to fiddle with some crap in the bootup settings dialog, and initiate a system checking/diagnostic type boot, and choose the option there on bootup. Pain in the arse to people who may need to use slightly redecorated video or disk drivers.

I have slowly gotten used to it, with classic shell installed (I simply will not tolerate "start page". Never.) and it now runs more or less win7 like, but I hate how MS just wont give up on the metro UX crap.

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Re: How do I opt out of Windows 10 "upgrade" and keep Windows 7?
« Reply #41 on: December 18, 2015, 04:34:07 am »

You'll like Windows 10 more than 8 then. It both has a much more normal start menu, and "metro" apps are now windows on the desktop much like traditional apps. It's all a much nicer experience.
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Re: How do I opt out of Windows 10 "upgrade" and keep Windows 7?
« Reply #42 on: December 18, 2015, 06:56:48 pm »

I upgraded from 8.1 to 10 mainly for the windowed apps, myself, although now PDFs seem to open in Microsoft The Edge instead of a dedicated PDF app... Oh well.

The unpredictable update reboots have been the biggest nuisance - they're still happening even after I turned on deferred updates (apparently for critical security patches). I don't get why it can't tell me it needs to reboot before it decides to take matters into its own hands.
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Re: How do I opt out of Windows 10 "upgrade" and keep Windows 7?
« Reply #43 on: December 19, 2015, 10:44:01 am »

I want to use Windows 7 as long as it's supported for.

It's already out of mainstream (feature) support, and is now in extended (security only) support. New software/games are rapidly going to drop support for it, at least once developers start using a newer OS (we're still on Windows 7 ourselves for the moment, but are planning to upgrade).
People are still making fixes for windows XP-only bugs. I think you underestimate how long devs support windows.
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Re: How do I opt out of Windows 10 "upgrade" and keep Windows 7?
« Reply #44 on: December 19, 2015, 06:02:50 pm »

Windows XP is getting updates because of Point of Sale (POS) systems that ONLY can work on windows XP.  Microsoft acknowledges that this problem exists, and is offering an extended lease on life for those systems until the industry can migrate to something newer.

Once all upstream support for the product ends, developers in 3rd party software suites stop wanting to support it, because they want to minimize their workload.  XP will dry up once device makers stop making drivers for it, and once MS stops making security patches for it.  That's what happened to windows NT4 and to windows 2000.

It will happen to windows XP as well.
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