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Sergarr

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Re: Paris Climate Talks Discussion Thread
« Reply #75 on: December 05, 2015, 12:14:44 pm »

I'd never thought cows would be a major source of pollution :o
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« Reply #76 on: December 05, 2015, 12:21:17 pm »

It's not necessarily cow farts, but the whole production chain. There's an enormous amount of (fossil-fuel based) energy spent on growing and transporting crops that are used to feed the cattle, for instance.
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« Reply #77 on: December 05, 2015, 01:04:32 pm »

It's not necessarily cow farts, but the whole production chain. There's an enormous amount of (fossil-fuel based) energy spent on growing and transporting crops that are used to feed the cattle, for instance.
Eh, why is it so hard to believe?

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Cows are already the nation's single largest source of methane, a greenhouse gas produced by oil extraction, decomposing trash, and the guts of grazing animals that's as much as 105 times more potent than carbon dioxide. A single cow farts and belches enough methane to match the carbon equivalent of the average car. According to a 2006 United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization report, the world's 1.4 billion cows produce 18 percent of the world's greenhouse gases—more than the entire transportation sector.

Watch those sexy bags inflate, for fuck sake.
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« Reply #78 on: December 05, 2015, 02:58:34 pm »

help the climate, eat chicken! ( or go vegetarian or vegan. That is even better, but as you progress toward no animal products at all, balancing  a diet becomes harder. also, you dont get to eat meat as a vegan, which for many is undesiderable.)

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« Reply #79 on: December 05, 2015, 03:51:34 pm »

Damn, I couldn't live without dairy products. And unlike with meat, switching to kangaroo for that is not an option...
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« Reply #80 on: December 05, 2015, 03:56:02 pm »

Fuck vegetarians with their rainforest killing soy tofu  ;D

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Also who needs milk anyway. Humans are the only mammal that gets stuck in the suckling infant stage that way. Sometimes I think that goes for our mental prowess too.
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« Reply #81 on: December 05, 2015, 04:01:14 pm »

Damn, I couldn't live without dairy products. And unlike with meat, switching to kangaroo for that is not an option...

Actually the world's dairy needs could be easily met with only a small fraction of the cows we have now. It only takes 9 million cows in the USA to not only meet US demand, but supply a significant export market as well.
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Re: Paris Climate Talks Discussion Thread
« Reply #82 on: December 05, 2015, 04:15:16 pm »

True dat. Did you know that my very tiny speck of land called the Netherlands is producing enough excess milk to supply over 50% of the whole of China's demand in baby milk powder?

We control China. They do as we say or we starve all their babbies
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« Reply #83 on: December 05, 2015, 04:32:01 pm »

In theory dairy production could be transferred to another animal anyway, but since none of the existing livestock species have been bred to the extent that cattle have for milk there'd probably be an overall decrease in production for several decades if we switched over to goats/reindeer/camels for milk.
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« Reply #84 on: December 05, 2015, 05:13:22 pm »

Also nut-based milk.
Ew. That stuff's worse than low-fat.

Soy milk I can get behind though, but it's very different from cow milk - I wouldn't want to miss either.

In theory dairy production could be transferred to another animal anyway, but since none of the existing livestock species have been bred to the extent that cattle have for milk there'd probably be an overall decrease in production for several decades if we switched over to goats/reindeer/camels for milk.
Those types of milks don't taste the same though.

I wonder what whale milk is like...
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« Reply #85 on: December 05, 2015, 05:25:56 pm »

Wrong mouth feel. Whale milk is almost all fat, and is very very thick.
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« Reply #86 on: December 05, 2015, 05:32:30 pm »

For reference:

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« Reply #87 on: December 05, 2015, 05:40:35 pm »

Confirmed: NZ is worse than sodding China.
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« Reply #88 on: December 05, 2015, 06:43:41 pm »

Isn't the West the largest consumer of milk, what with lactose tolerance being a mutation and all?
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Re: Paris Climate Talks Discussion Thread
« Reply #89 on: December 05, 2015, 06:47:34 pm »

Ayup. And our economy is basically built on exporting cow juice.
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