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[Rozenbuddy]

I  HATE ELVEN CRAP HEADS!
Mostly because i'm making a human above-ground castle. And require much wood for my out-castle hovels for I need all the stone for my castle. I'm already in war with goblins and kobolds. And they're rough enough. I HATE THOSE ELVES!

[Reese]

Hmm... makes me wonder when they check your stock pile... when the appear on the map, when they arrive at the depot, when the leave the depot, or when they leave the map... or just the peak amount of cut wood between two of those points...

"darn, them elves are back! quick, queue up a load of make charcoal orders!"

I wish more of my maps had coal or lignite.

[Ieb]

Probably it gets checked the moment the elf noble shows up.
I recall there's a message that's said by 'em if you don't have any logs at all, so yeah.

[Quietust]

For the purpose of determining how much wood they bring with the caravan, it's checked the instant the caravan arrives and it only counts unused and unforbidden logs, so if you want them to bring nothing but logs, forbid all of the lumber in your stockpiles on the 1st day of Spring.

As for the Diplomat, (s)he doesn't arrive until you have a Baron, and you'll either get scolded for your woodcutting (but not given a quota) or praised for having not cut down any trees (which pretty much only happens if you embark in a treeless area). The actual quotas are tied directly to trees cut down, so you can import as much wood as you want - you can check your (c)iv list to see how many more you can cut down before you piss them off.

[Rozenbuddy]

Ok question,

Q: Why do elves get pissed off when you cut down trees when they, make just about everything out of trees. Ex. +oaken longsword+ , )Highwood buckler) , Ashen bin (rope reed cloth) , +Chestnut donkey cage+ , ++=Feather tree flute=++ , "Oaken Idol" , ect.
It makes no sense.

[zchris13]

They don't cut down trees.  They just "Magick" it out.

[Rozenbuddy]

That still makes no sense.

[zchris13]

They are the friends of the trees. What is a limb to a tree, for the good of all? (I hate trying to explain this. It's like thinking like an elf.  Graugh.)

[Rozenbuddy]

Exactly. We're basicly doing the same thing they are. They "magicly" grow trees just to somehow "obtain" them and "transform" them into "special" +Oaken flutes+...

Thinking of growing trees, I think it would be cool if we could plant trees other than tower caps... hmmm....

[Reese]

They don't cut down trees.  They just "Magick" it out.

That still makes no sense.

If you've ever read Speaker for the Dead (sequel to Ender's game) Elves = Pequeninos? If only... elf sieges would mean new trees to harvest

[Strant]

I think what elves get mad about is a dwarf cutting down a tree, dragging it inside, then whittling it down into one earring.

They don't get any happier when you tell that he'll eventually turn an entire tree into three earrings.

[MelloHero]

Yeah, they have their elf-kosher way of doing it, and I guess ours is unfit for their use (yes, I just said "ours" for the dwarves). Mind, I never heard of any wars started over kosher-vs.-non-kosher before.
Personally, I find myself needing to cut very little wood in my current fortress; I started with an elf city in my radius, so right now any furniture I need, I just go over and cart back to the fort. Eventually I might even start dismantling the village from around them! I am rather disposed to keep this to a minimum, though, since this village has more humans than elves in it, and well, "conquered and oppressed by elves" is no way anyone should have to live.

[xtank5]

Dwarves cut down 'living' trees.  The Elves cut down and use 'dead' wood.  So instead of killing a living tree (with which they are 'friends'), they are simply making use of something that is already dead.  Elves HATE it when trees die.

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Pretty much the same reason as to why they eat all of their kills after battle (read 'fallen enemies').  I guess they try not to waste resources, while trying to respect all life, not just animal.

The main reason they won't accept your wooden goods for trade is that they can't make sure you got your wood from dead trees.  They seem to feel that Dwarves don't care for nature and really don't care if they kill trees.

To put it in perspective, think of DF wood like Real World diamonds.  There are 2 kinds of diamonds, 'Clean Diamonds' and 'Blood Diamonds'.  You would only want to buy 'Clean Diamonds' because of the torture/slavery/conflict/bad stuff associated with 'Blood Diamonds'.  Elves want 'Already Dead Wood' not 'Made Dead Wood'.  Of course you can get certification that the diamonds you buy aren't 'Blood Diamonds' but the Elves can't get the same sort of thing for wood.

That is why they want you to stop cutting down trees and why Elves don't want your wooden goods.

Pansies. 

[Foa]

I  HATE ELVEN CRAP HEADS!
Mostly because i'm making a human above-ground castle. And require much wood for my out-castle hovels for I need all the stone for my castle. I'm already in war with goblins and kobolds. And they're rough enough. I HATE THOSE ELVES!

What about Elf King Cacame, wife was eaten by elves, became a dwarf civ's king because of badassery, and the fact that he became a dwarf, rode a zombie wyvern, and whupped large dragon's ass without suffering any form of injury , and his paternal grandfather who killed a mothril golem and beat down a dragon turtle ( who died a while after ) , and ruled the world for a thousand years, HMM?

Yeah, I have to agree with the above poster, heh, one earring per five ton tree... but screw you, it is more like PETA, or anti-abortionists, they only allow it if it is done 'correctly' , which is so overcomplicated that it doesn't happen.

[MelloHero]

^Not trying to hijack the thread, but there are plenty of pro-life people who do not think there is a "correct" way of doing it.