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[Jopax]

Which is what makes it scary, just like climate change. It's slow enough that the general public can't be arsed to care until it's too late to do anything about it.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

claims of anti-biotic-less world are greatly exaggerated

also I find it ironic that Russia (along with over post-Soviet states) is apparently so backwards in medicine that it's actually on the forefront

dem integer overflows man

This is actually a very fascinating phenomenon of how the US and USSR managed to get on different techlines. If the Soviet Union hadn't spurned antibiotics research in favor of phages this'd be a much rawer science.

Anyway, I place people who don't use antibiotics correctly on the same level as anti-vaxxers: Scourges of the human race who deserve no sympathy. Unfortunately, unlike with vaccination doctors are a large part of this problem in that they appease patients who don't actually need the meds, sometimes including those who don't even have a bacterial illness! This is why I believe there should be explicit laws restricting the distribution of antibiotics to people who actually need them.

[Loud Whispers]

I do love the concept of doctors encountering infections and just adding more virus until the bacteria are dead "As a bacterium becomes resistant to one phage — by shedding the receptor on the cell surface that the virus uses to enter — the Eliava Institute researchers simply add more phages to the viral cocktails that patients receive. Kutateladze says that they update their products every eight months or so, and do not always know the exact combination of phages that make up the cocktail."

"Doctor was is in this?"
"I dunno. Lots of viruses."
"What kind?"
"Many kinds :D"

[miauw62]

isnt burning contaminated stuff sort of sop when youre dealing with epidemics

also eventually we will have bred bacteria to just be inert bricks made of diamond so they cant be killed by anything :^]

[i2amroy]

"Doctor was is in this?"
"I dunno. Lots of viruses."
"What kind?"
"Many kinds :D"

Sounds like a very stereotypical Russian thing to say.
"Doctar, what is in tis?"
"Do not know, lots of viruses."
"Viruses?"
"Da, many kinds!"

[itisnotlogical]

claims of anti-biotic-less world are greatly exaggerated

also I find it ironic that Russia (along with over post-Soviet states) is apparently so backwards in medicine that it's actually on the forefront

dem integer overflows man

This is actually a very fascinating phenomenon of how the US and USSR managed to get on different techlines. If the Soviet Union hadn't spurned antibiotics research in favor of phages this'd be a much rawer science.

Anyway, I place people who don't use antibiotics correctly on the same level as anti-vaxxers: Scourges of the human race who deserve no sympathy. Unfortunately, unlike with vaccination doctors are a large part of this problem in that they appease patients who don't actually need the meds, sometimes including those who don't even have a bacterial illness! This is why I believe there should be explicit laws restricting the distribution of antibiotics to people who actually need them.

I personally always thought antibiotics should be administered during a doctor visit and kept out of the patient's hands. Doctors do fuck up, but patients fuck up a whole lot more when they're allowed to self-administer. Completely ridiculous and untenable, but then so is every ideal scenario.

[Loud Whispers]

I personally always thought antibiotics should be administered during a doctor visit and kept out of the patient's hands. Doctors do fuck up, but patients fuck up a whole lot more when they're allowed to self-administer. Completely ridiculous and untenable, but then so is every ideal scenario.

3 doses a day of amoxicilin every day for two or three weeks? Can't really be done by doctors for practical reasons. Maybe just have doctors stress the importance of sticking to the prescription under the mantra that no symptoms is not the same as no illness.

[Culise]

isnt burning contaminated stuff sort of sop when youre dealing with epidemics

also eventually we will have bred bacteria to just be inert bricks made of diamond so they cant be killed by anything :^]

Not historically and not consistently.  While many were burned, many other victims of the Black Death were still buried, albeit in a manner transitioning from traditional individual graves to mass pits as death tolls rose and the available and willing workforce declined.  Cremation was frowned upon at a minimum or outright forbidden under law in many places in Christian Europe, and in these locations was traditionally a punishment for heretics (who were not always alive when it happened; this isn't referring to burning at the stake). 

EDIT:
Also, completely unrelated, but I just looked up some of Sir Thompson's arguments for the legalization of cremation in the 19th century, including that it would prevent premature burials.  Well, I mean that it's technically accurate, but...

((Also added a clarification that this is under Christian law, since it concerns the Black Death in Europe.))

[itisnotlogical]

I personally always thought antibiotics should be administered during a doctor visit and kept out of the patient's hands. Doctors do fuck up, but patients fuck up a whole lot more when they're allowed to self-administer. Completely ridiculous and untenable, but then so is every ideal scenario.

3 doses a day of amoxicilin every day for two or three weeks? Can't really be done by doctors for practical reasons. Maybe just have doctors stress the importance of sticking to the prescription under the mantra that no symptoms is not the same as no illness.

People have proven extraordinary degrees of dumbfuckery in the face of better-educated people giving them sound advice. Hence the situation we face today.

[Loud Whispers]

I personally always thought antibiotics should be administered during a doctor visit and kept out of the patient's hands. Doctors do fuck up, but patients fuck up a whole lot more when they're allowed to self-administer. Completely ridiculous and untenable, but then so is every ideal scenario.

3 doses a day of amoxicilin every day for two or three weeks? Can't really be done by doctors for practical reasons. Maybe just have doctors stress the importance of sticking to the prescription under the mantra that no symptoms is not the same as no illness.

People have proven extraordinary degrees of dumbfuckery in the face of better-educated people giving them sound advice. Hence the situation we face today.

To be fair doctors can also fall afoul, like in India where there was a panic because Doctors were prescribing one type of antibiotic at a time instead of all the required antibiotics for certain illnesses so bacteria were developing resistance to them one at a time

[miauw62]

isnt burning contaminated stuff sort of sop when youre dealing with epidemics

also eventually we will have bred bacteria to just be inert bricks made of diamond so they cant be killed by anything :^]

Not historically and not consistently.  While many were burned, many other victims of the Black Death were still buried, albeit in a manner transitioning from traditional individual graves to mass pits as death tolls rose and the available and willing workforce declined.  Cremation was frowned upon at a minimum or outright forbidden under law in many places in Christian Europe, and in these locations was traditionally a punishment for heretics (who were not always alive when it happened; this isn't referring to burning at the stake). 

EDIT:
Also, completely unrelated, but I just looked up some of Sir Thompson's arguments for the legalization of cremation in the 19th century, including that it would prevent premature burials.  Well, I mean that it's technically accurate, but...

((Also added a clarification that this is under Christian law, since it concerns the Black Death in Europe.))

We're talking about the future though, I know that cremation wasn't a big thing during the Plague.

[LordBucket]

Remember that your body will fight bacteria without sources of external antibiotics. Stay clean, be healthy, don't roll around in the dirt during surgery, and this doesn't need to be a catastrophe.

Also remember that there are plenty of antimicrobials that aren't pharmaceutical antibiotics. For example, alcohol, heat, UV light, silver, electrical current and oxygen are all still extremely effective at killing bacteria. Applying hydrogen peroxide to a wound, for example, is no less effective than it used to be.

But hydrogen peroxide is cheap to produce, you see. This is more a concern for pharmaceutical company profits than it is a health concern.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

A. All the health practices in the world won't help you against a catastrophic staph infection.

B. Antibiotics are uniquely effective at killing bacterial pathogens while you're infected by them.

C. Hydrogen peroxide in commercially available concentrations does not do anything good for your wounds, it just hurts and looks dramatic so people believe in it.

[LordBucket]

A. All the health practices in the world won't help you against a catastrophic staph infection.

You are factually incorrect. A person who is clean and healthy will be more resistant to and better able to fight infection than a person who is not.

B. Antibiotics are uniquely effective at killing bacterial pathogens while you're infected by them.

You are factually incorrect. There are other antimicrobials that are effective at killing bacteria "while you're infected by them" besides antibiotics. Antibiotics are not at all unique.

C. Hydrogen peroxide in commercially available concentrations does not do anything good for your wounds, it just hurts and looks dramatic so people believe in it.

You are factually incorrect. Source: the Center for Disease Control

"Microbicidal Activity. Hydrogen peroxide is active against a wide range of microorganisms, including bacteria, yeasts, fungi, viruses, and spores "

"Commercially available" H2O2, as in, what you can buy in brown bottles for $2 at the grocery store, simply has industrial pollutants in it that make it unsafe to take internally. That is not a concern for external application. And for internal application, food grade hydrogen peroxide is extremely available and only slightly more expensive.

And of course, if we're talking about use by doctors, "commercial availability" is irrelevant anyway.

[Graknorke]

The problem isn't people who are healthy though, it's people who are already compromised in some way, like the kinds of people you'll find in a hospital.