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[Shadowlord]

presumably trolling and/or spam

I never feed trolls and I don't read spam

[Dorsidwarf]

Chill wev known silver is antibiotic for ages, we are only now coming out of the age of ignorance, science is great  but ignorant as it only recognises after intense study.
I make silver tonic for flesh wounds and I havnt ever got an infection, i eat high vit c fruit every day, I exercise and sleep well, I get sick once/twice a season I have only needed antibiotics once in my life but I probably didnt need them (lung infection) if anything im an example of what helps stay healthy but science wont recognise it until a few tests.
These things have always been known and wont be forgotten. So what antibiotics dont work?! Its not like our bodys arnt equipped for defence.
Sorry to all the people who are sickly and cant help it.
Im sure we could stop bacteria chemicaly 'comunicating' and stop the symtoms just wait a few decades and eat some fruit

Do you have a book about diet I can buy? I feel an uncontrollable urge to gush about your amazing health plan of silver tonic, fruit, and no antibiotics to local news.

[wierd]

Uhm, you guys do know that quite a few of those alternative medicinal substances actually are effective treatments, right??

www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1995764510601290

jac.oxfordjournals.org/content/47/5/565.short

www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0378874184900576

onlinelibrary.wiley.com/enhanced/doi/10.1046/j.1365-2672.1999.00780.x/

The problem isnt the "idea" of using these older remedies, the problem is that the poorly regulated nature of the suppliment industry means you are likely getting some random plant/oil other than what you actually want inside that pill/bottle, and that the ratios and concentrations are far from standardized.

That can be corrected with industrial refinement and standards and practices improvements.

[Sheb]

[Insert Image of that XKCD comic Here]

Replace "cancer cells" by "bacteria".

[wierd]

yes, the ubiquitous xkcd article.

That is why in vivo testing is required.

But it is somehow unethical to test food plants on sick people, so we cant do that.


Nevermind that in vivo studies of vapor form oils on mice for respiratory infections showed promise. (thus negating thed foundation of the xkcd objection-- that the treatment kills everything, making the claims of killing X in a dish applicably meaningless.)

jac.oxfordjournals.org/content/47/5/565.short

(and was one of the articles I cited earlier anyway.)

[Sheb]

You could test it on rats with no issue.

[wierd]

It's already been done.

[Sheb]

Where are the results then? Why did you post petri dish test rather than in vitro ones?

[wierd]

google scholar is not giving a link, but was done by this guy.


Inouye, S. & Yamaguchi, H. (2001). In vivo absorption and safety evaluation of essential oils in mice by continuous vapor contact for a week. Aroma Research 2, No. 1, 66–70.

The cited article was followup research to establish experimental controls for vapor concentration for administration. Piror research was for LD10 tolerance of vapor by mice.

Combined, one can derive the effective dosage range tolerable by mice.

I do not see this third stage efficacy testing in mice though. Guy probably has funding issues, given where he is publishing.

[Sheb]

Which one of the two?

[pisskop]

Ahh, we shall rely upon good solid genetics and RNG!

_{^{and also ptw}}

[Starver]

Replace "cancer cells" by "bacteria".

(You seemed to link a .html as an image.  You might want to fix.)

[wierd]

I said I did not see the 3rd stage research cited.

However, here's a direct to animal model trial for the same volatile oil against heliobacter strains.
europepmc.org/abstract/med/12752733

[pisskop]

http://notmedicatedyet.com/blog/2013June.html

Replace "cancer cells" by "bacteria".

(You seemed to link a .html as an image.  You might want to fix.)

[Starver]

http://notmedicatedyet.com/blog/2013June.html

Replace "cancer cells" by "bacteria".

(You seemed to link a .html as an image.  You might want to fix.)

I don't know if that's the 'fix' required.  It seemed to be a reference to the XKCD cartoon (republished under that Blog, except that I'd already posted the original one myself) so might have been intended to be the IMG tag with an image in it, rather than changing to a pure URL (tagged or otherwise) of a rather long Blog thing which (when you go there) is so long and full of multiple items that the point might well be lost.

Thus I left it for Sheb to fix, themselves, in whatever manner was actually intended.

I also meant to write the message you saw but, instead of then Posting, copy the edited contents and fire up a personal message to Sheb to not pollute this thread with such administrivia as this.  My fingers just went ahead and posted it publicly though, after I'd disengaged my brain for a moment.  Too late now, though...