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Author Topic: Arms Race: 1780 - Dunwich Meritocratic Confederacy - 1782 Espionage Phase  (Read 25897 times)

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Re: Arms Race: 1780 - Dunwich Meritocratic Confederacy - 1780 Design Phase
« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2015, 11:12:28 am »

+1 to Playergamer Victoria Air Rifle.
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Re: Arms Race: 1780 - Dunwich Meritocratic Confederacy - 1780 Design Phase
« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2015, 12:08:04 pm »

One thing to consider is how our research is going to be perceived. Ships are clearly an anti-loyalist move, while guns are more of an anti Monarchy move.

I think we should try to ally the Loyalist, or we will find ourselves stuck between two camp. Do I have permission to start some contact with the loyalists?
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« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2015, 12:12:21 pm »

Yes lets start contact, see what they think.
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« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2015, 12:19:23 pm »

I take it you are going to be using pms for it?
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Re: Arms Race: 1780 - Dunwich Meritocratic Confederacy - 1780 Design Phase
« Reply #19 on: November 15, 2015, 12:23:04 pm »

I am, yeah. Do you want to be cc'ed?
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« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2015, 12:27:45 pm »

I am, yeah. Do you want to be cc'ed?

Hold off til I get to an actual computer and I can post a protocol to follow for them.
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Re: Arms Race: 1780 - Dunwich Meritocratic Confederacy - 1780 Design Phase
« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2015, 02:36:46 pm »

+1 to the Victoria.
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Re: Arms Race: 1780 - Dunwich Meritocratic Confederacy - 1780 Design Phase
« Reply #22 on: November 15, 2015, 03:55:05 pm »

So, is everyone for the air rifle?
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« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2015, 04:02:05 pm »

Everyone but Sheb, and I don't think he's majorly opposed, really.
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Re: Arms Race: 1780 - Dunwich Meritocratic Confederacy - 1780 Design Phase
« Reply #24 on: November 15, 2015, 04:11:23 pm »

Yeah, to be honest I don't have a much better idea. I'll get behind it.
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Re: Arms Race: 1780 - Dunwich Meritocratic Confederacy - 1780 Design Phase
« Reply #25 on: November 15, 2015, 04:41:07 pm »

Quote from: Victoria Air Rifle
The air rifle is about 4 feet long, and 10 pounds, similar to a normal musket. It fires a .46 caliber ball, and has a tubular, 20-ball gravity-fed magazine that runs under the barrel of the rifle. The gravity magazine jams fairly often due to more than one shot entering the barrel and will render the rifle inoperable until it gets an hour maintenance. The rifleman using the weapon can reload the gun by pointing the rifle into the air, and waiting for a ball to roll down. When the magazine is emptied, the rifleman can merely unscrew the tube, refill it with balls, and screw it back on. Instead of using gunpowder as a propellant, it uses compressed air, stored in a small reservoir in the rifle butt that can crack and render the rifle useless, if the pressure within it is too great, the weapon is treated without delicacy, and after an average of 47 shots. (Very Expensive)

Tech Gained
.46 Caliber Shot
Gravity-Fed Magazine [Expensive]
Compressed Air Reservoir [Expensive]

Rolls were moderately good, though it wound up going act more as an early machine gun than a rifle that can be used by infantry or a carbine used by Cavalry, as the weapon is too delicate to horseback.  Still, you have the highest fire rate of everything that is currently out there.

You have now entered the Revision Phase.
You may revise any piece of technology you have, to a reasonable degree.  For example, you cannot turn the Brown Bess into an Air Rifle, but you can upscale the shot to make a higher caliber musket.
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« Reply #26 on: November 15, 2015, 04:49:15 pm »

So, the way I see it, we should use our revision to cheapen the Victoria, then use the production to cheaper it further and kick some serious ass.

Revision
Try to rationalize the Victoria rifle to make it sturdier and cheaper. In particular, the nicely crafted air reservoir are to be replaced by a cruder but cheap and sturdy replacement that can be screwed on or off to "reload" the rifle.
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Re: Arms Race: 1780 - Dunwich Meritocratic Confederacy - 1780 Revision Phase
« Reply #27 on: November 15, 2015, 04:59:20 pm »

Why are hollow sheet metal tubes expensive?

Gravity feed powder magazines like in a Kalthoff repeater are complex as you have to stop the entire magazine from exploding.
Our only have to hold the balls in place and nothing more.

Lets work on the reservoirs, if we can make them cheaper the gun will just be expensive.
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Re: Arms Race: 1780 - Dunwich Meritocratic Confederacy - 1780 Revision Phase
« Reply #28 on: November 15, 2015, 05:04:17 pm »

Why are hollow sheet metal tubes expensive?

Gravity feed powder magazines like in a Kalthoff repeater are complex as you have to stop the entire magazine from exploding.
Our only have to hold the balls in place and nothing more.

Lets work on the reservoirs, if we can make them cheaper the gun will just be expensive.

We really do have something here, but the fragility and the frequent jams that require intensive surgery to fix make it basically useless in its current state. I'd add this to Sheb's revision:

Revision
Try to rationalize the Victoria rifle to make it sturdier and cheaper. A wheel with paddles inside the end of the magazine ensures that shots chamber properly and that only one can be chambered at a time, and the nicely crafted air reservoir are to be replaced by a cruder but cheap and sturdy replacement that can be screwed on or off to "reload" the rifle.

This is a pretty simple fix, and it solves our problem quite handily. A soldier would have to manually cycle the wheel to chamber another ball unless we want to connect it to the trigger or something, but that might well bring it back into expensive territory.
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Re: Arms Race: 1780 - Dunwich Meritocratic Confederacy - 1780 Revision Phase
« Reply #29 on: November 15, 2015, 05:10:41 pm »

Why are hollow sheet metal tubes expensive?

Gravity feed powder magazines like in a Kalthoff repeater are complex as you have to stop the entire magazine from exploding.
Our only have to hold the balls in place and nothing more.

Lets work on the reservoirs, if we can make them cheaper the gun will just be expensive.


The expensive part comes more from the effort put in to so that, for the most part, multiple shot don't go through at once and jam the gun.
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