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[Snake1229]

flazeo I think you fucked up your quoting.
But trying to read through what you're typing, the steam boat is a different case from the howitz. The howitz is just a problem of refining the design through experimentation, the steam boat is inherently flawed.

So what do you guys want to do?

[Graknorke]

Get the fuses for spherical cases close enough to right. Experiment with shape (conical is apparently very good, stops the fuse getting blasted into the shell and lighting the charge too soon), thickness, gunpowder mixtures used, what it's wrapped in, etc.
That way we have a fully functional howitzer and 12 lb ammunition for it and we can move on to other things.

EDIT: I can't hide my mistake due to being quoted, so you can see that my shame is preserved forever.

[Snake1229]

Get the fuses for spherical cases close enough to right. Experiment with shape (conical is apparently very good, stops the fuse getting blasted into the shell and lighting the charge too soon), thickness, gunpowder mixtures used, what it's wrapped in, etc.
That way we have a fully functional mortar and 12 lb ammunition for it and we can move on to other things.

We would have to design a mortar for that, lets do a revision first

[flazeo25]

Sorry about quata pyramid, this my thought is getting locomotive set up in 1783 or 84 design phase depending how this year goes, if we manage steal the loyalist ship london ship we could make general purpose steam engine for next design  to use for both the boat and locomotive and upgrading our factories, with that we could use next revise phase to change the ship by giving it the steam engine we made and replacing its cannons with mounted howtizs?
 
As for this revise I thought we could fuses on the spherical cases, make howtiz able to mount on boats as well and try to make exlosive works.

[Snake1229]

Sorry about quata pyramid, this my thought is getting locomotive set up in 1783 or 84 design phase depending how this year goes, if we manage steal the loyalist ship london ship we could make general purpose steam engine for next design  to use for both the boat and locomotive and upgrading our factories, with that we could use next revise phase to change the ship by giving it the steam engine we made and replacing its cannons with mounted howtizs?
 
As for this revise I thought we could fuses on the spherical cases, make howtiz able to mount on boats as well and try to make exlosive works.

Why don't we try to fix the shells on the howitzer to get the spherical and explosive rounds working?

[Graknorke]

I meant howitzer, not mortar. Lapse in thought, sorry. Though there's no reason that a howitzer couldn't also function as a mortar.

[Snake1229]

I meant howitzer, not mortar. Lapse in thought, sorry. Though there's no reason that a howitzer couldn't also function as a mortar.

Mortars are entirely different things, although they were around back then, we could make one next turn if we wanted

[Graknorke]

Mortars are entirely different things

A mortar is a weapon that fires explosive projectiles known as (mortar) bombs at low velocities, short ranges, and high-arcing ballistic trajectories. It is typically muzzle-loading with a short, often smoothbore, barrel, generally less than 15 times its caliber.

If you wanted to for whatever reason, you could definitely fire a howitzer on a high trajectory.

We might want mortars later if we want to try and properly take one of the independent cities on the mountains, but for now we're okay with direct fire.

[Snake1229]

Mortars are entirely different things

A mortar is a weapon that fires explosive projectiles known as (mortar) bombs at low velocities, short ranges, and high-arcing ballistic trajectories. It is typically muzzle-loading with a short, often smoothbore, barrel, generally less than 15 times its caliber.

If you wanted to for whatever reason, you could definitely fire a howitzer on a high trajectory.

We might want mortars later if we want to try and properly take one of the independent cities on the mountains, but for now we're okay with direct fire.

So should we just fix the shells for the howitz?

[Graknorke]

That's the thing I've been saying and apparently I bullied flaz into agreeing with me. I'm not so in favour of low explosive shells though, since they're much more useful on ships than on the ground, and their safety issues are more inherent to packing a lot of gunpowder into a ball.

[Snake1229]

That's the thing I've been saying and apparently I bullied flaz into agreeing with me. I'm not so in favour of low explosive shells though, since they're much more useful on ships than on the ground, and their safety issues are more inherent to packing a lot of gunpowder into a ball.

We could probably use it as a port defense weapon to shoot at ships.

[flazeo25]

Well thats what the revise howtiz for, since both ammos could hopefully be gained from it.

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

AM-R-II 12 pounder Howit - A variant of the AM-R that weights slightly over a ton. Its bore has been modified to be able to effectively use case and low explosive shot. However, this comes at a cost that neither ball or canister ammunition can be used with the gun.  The effective range of the cannon is 600 meters for the case shot and 450 meters for the explosive shot. (Very Expensive)

Tech Gained:
Explosive Shot
Case Shot

Looks like you landed with the other side of the coin with this one...

Production Phase Begin

[Snake1229]

Let's focus production on the cannon

[flazeo25]

Let's focus production on the cannon

+1 so both cannons have short and long range ammo type, thats not too bad. version 2 seems good for land use while version one seems good for naval or costial use.