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Author Topic: Arms Race: 1780 - Atterton Monarchy -1782 Revision Phase  (Read 36540 times)

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Re: Arms Race: 1780 - Atterton Monarchy -1781 Design Phase
« Reply #180 on: November 23, 2015, 06:34:17 pm »

We can use the cannons as ground artillery.
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Re: Arms Race: 1780 - Atterton Monarchy -1781 Design Phase
« Reply #181 on: November 23, 2015, 06:38:45 pm »

We can use the cannons as ground artillery.
So cannons then, as for boat we could try steal the loyalist ship they used against us.
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« Reply #182 on: November 23, 2015, 06:39:53 pm »

We can use the cannons as ground artillery.
I am pretty sure the 6-pounders are ship cannons, and most ship cannons and artillery were designed differently, and the size of the cannonballs that those things fired were pretty small if I remember correctly
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Re: Arms Race: 1780 - Atterton Monarchy -1781 Design Phase
« Reply #183 on: November 23, 2015, 06:43:34 pm »

You only have six pounder cannons, which are being used as naval guns and field guns.
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« Reply #184 on: November 23, 2015, 06:45:19 pm »

You only have six pounder cannons, which are being used as naval guns and field guns.
fixed, thanks, But I still think we could use designated field guns
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« Reply #185 on: November 23, 2015, 07:28:55 pm »

Heres a cannon design I thought of.

Spoiler: AM-Richard Howit mk-I (click to show/hide)
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« Reply #186 on: November 23, 2015, 07:33:41 pm »

Heres a cannon design I thought of.

Spoiler: AM-Richard Howit mk-I (click to show/hide)
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Although we should just get the cannon working, we can do different shells in a revision.
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« Reply #187 on: November 23, 2015, 07:35:14 pm »

FYI, HE can't really be done with gunpowder. We'd be going with shrapnel shells for explosive effect.

Other than that we could probably afford to have it be lighter and just fire at a lower velocity, since there've been 12 pounder guns that weight 800kg and could still reach a kilometre out. Unless there's design considerations besides recoil in the weight, I don't really know because there's not much documentation around on it.

FYI, HE can't really be done with gunpowder. We'd be going with shrapnel shells for explosive effect.
Well shrapnel ones are spherical cases. and canisters are ball projects cannons fired at close range to mimic shotgun.
Ah, missed that you wrote those. Sorry.

Okay I could get behind that. Looks like we're widening up our effective ranges this year.
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Re: Arms Race: 1780 - Atterton Monarchy -1781 Design Phase
« Reply #188 on: November 23, 2015, 07:36:53 pm »

FYI, HE can't really be done with gunpowder. We'd be going with shrapnel shells for explosive effect.

Well sharpnel ones are spherical cases. and cannisters are ball projects cannons fired at close range to mimic shotgun.
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« Reply #189 on: November 23, 2015, 07:57:30 pm »

Okay, I am going to try to get a design out
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« Reply #190 on: November 23, 2015, 08:06:19 pm »

Why are we rifling it if we're intending to use balls anyway? Doesn't add anything.
Shells should be shrapnel rather than purely gunpowder (gunpowder doesn't explode with enough energy to make it viable as high-explosive weapon).
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« Reply #191 on: November 23, 2015, 08:12:34 pm »

Why are we rifling it if we're intending to use balls anyway? Doesn't add anything.
Shells should be shrapnel rather than purely gunpowder (gunpowder doesn't explode with enough energy to make it viable as high-explosive weapon).
Most explosive balls back then were basically cannonballs filled with gunpowder,But i will probably add in the ability to fire shrapnel shells too
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« Reply #192 on: November 23, 2015, 08:20:48 pm »

I think you might be confusing ship cannons and howitzers? On ships there was use for purely explosive shells because it damages the relatively fragile wood and can set it on fire. On land there were shells filled with explosives, but they were designed with the intent of "bursting" rather than outright exploding, so as to fragment the exterior of the shell.
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« Reply #193 on: November 23, 2015, 08:22:28 pm »

I think you might be confusing ship cannons and howitzers? On ships there was use for purely explosive shells because it damages the relatively fragile wood and can set it on fire. On land there were shells filled with explosives, but they were designed with the intent of "bursting" rather than outright exploding, so as to fragment the exterior of the shell.
I actually looked it up, around that time that was all we pretty much had in terms of explosive ammunition, I even looked up howitzers themselves
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« Reply #194 on: November 23, 2015, 08:26:31 pm »

I think you might be confusing ship cannons and howitzers? On ships there was use for purely explosive shells because it damages the relatively fragile wood and can set it on fire. On land there were shells filled with explosives, but they were designed with the intent of "bursting" rather than outright exploding, so as to fragment the exterior of the shell.
I actually looked it up, around that time that was all we pretty much had in terms of explosive ammunition, I even looked up howitzers themselves
True, the howitzer my desin based on is 12 pounder Napoleon one.
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