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[flazeo25]

It can't be filled with bullets since neither side have guns capable of reaching the high yet.

[Graknorke]

Wow, the ignoble savages were trying ideas comparably crazy to us. I'm impressed.

And yes the sea is basically a lost battle. No faction on the main island could repel their dedicated and stronger naval attacks.

ps: Thanks Snake, for joining the bonfire-piss brigade. I don't know what it is about Arms Race that makes people forget that engineering takes a bit more than believing in yourself.

[tntey]

Okay. We Should invent body armor for our soldiers. Who cares if they have great guns when one measly shot puts them down for good.

[Snake1229]

Okay. We Should invent body armor for our soldiers. Who cares if they have great guns when one measly shot puts them down for good.

The bullets these guns fire are pretty much 50 cal. If you get hit, you are dead.
I still think we should get some decent ground artillery.

[flazeo25]

If we do get resource things like transport we can increase our resource limit allowing us to to produce more expensive stuff.

[Graknorke]

The thing we look to be missing is something to work up-close. Didn't someone mention designing a carbine not too long ago? We should do that. Do any gun types know how breech-loading would compare to the gravity magazine? I can tell it would be less likely to break and would fire slower, but I don't really know anything about the intricacies of operation.

[flazeo25]

The thing we look to be missing is something to work up-close. Didn't someone mention designing a carbine not too long ago? We should do that. Do any gun types know how breech-loading would compare to the gravity magazine? I can tell it would be less likely to break and would fire slower, but I don't really know anything about the intricacies of operation.

not sure how advanced breech loading is but isnt a new gun we stole suitable already?

[Snake1229]

The thing we look to be missing is something to work up-close. Didn't someone mention designing a carbine not too long ago? We should do that. Do any gun types know how breech-loading would compare to the gravity magazine? I can tell it would be less likely to break and would fire slower, but I don't really know anything about the intricacies of operation.

I like this idea, but breech loading would take a shell of some sort, and we just don't have the technology to manufacture that
We might be able to make a blunderbuss of sorts, which was basically the first shotgun.

[tntey]

Has anyone read the international thread? I think the loyalists and the confederacy joined up.

[Graknorke]

I think maybe blunderbusses are a bit too up-close, since they're for cavalry and stuff. The Islands are quite mountainous, so I don't know how much cavalry is really used. Good idea to consider though.
Maybe we could try and fix up the more obvious oversights on the Victoria too? For a magazine-fed weapons we're stuck with compressed air (I'm still impressed how inspired a reach that was) since there's no integrated cartridges around. The actual magazine mechanism itself could be stopped from jamming so much by adding a U-bend in the shape of it, which alleviates some of the problems that they had without having to compromise muzzle velocity. The removable air canisters was a good idea though, otherwise the guns would be basically disposable.

But that's revision level stuff. What if we were to have a crack at artillery shells? It makes indirect bombardment actually viable, which would do wonders at stopping advancements towards our territory. Timed fuses can be done relatively simply with a cylinder of gunpowder wrapped in thick paper. Then we'd just have to put the fuse in a shell with shrapnel, and when it's reasonable close to the target... BOOM. Hell, the simplicity means that operators could probably change the fuse length on the fly, since all they have to do is cut it shorter and then jam it in the hole that the fuse ignites through.

Ninjad: I kind of doubt that. Why would they work together? Most likely just a coincidence that both the uncultured swine and misguided pretenders don't fully understand us.

[flazeo25]

I think maybe blunderbusses are a bit too up-close, since they're for cavalry and stuff. The Islands are quite mountainous, so I don't know how much cavalry is really used. Good idea to consider though.
Maybe we could try and fix up the more obvious oversights on the Victoria too? For a magazine-fed weapons we're stuck with compressed air (I'm still impressed how inspired a reach that was) since there's no integrated cartridges around. The actual magazine mechanism itself could be stopped from jamming so much by adding a U-bend in the shape of it, which alleviates some of the problems that they had without having to compromise muzzle velocity. The removable air canisters was a good idea though, otherwise the guns would be basically disposable.

But that's revision level stuff. What if we were to have a crack at artillery shells? It makes indirect bombardment actually viable, which would do wonders at stopping advancements towards our territory. Timed fuses can be done relatively simply with a cylinder of gunpowder wrapped in thick paper. Then we'd just have to put the fuse in a shell with shrapnel, and when it's reasonable close to the target... BOOM. Hell, the simplicity means that operators could probably change the fuse length on the fly, since all they have to do is cut it shorter and then jam it in the hole that the fuse ignites through.

Ninjad: I kind of doubt that. Why would they work together? Most likely just a coincidence that both the uncultured swine and misguided pretenders don't fully understand us.

Well for revision we could try turn our cannons into howitzers.

[Snake1229]

Why don't we try to make an entirely new cannon, focused on being able to be moved more easily, and designed as ground artillery?

[flazeo25]

SO what are we going with for design phase then?

[Graknorke]

I think that something like explosive shells should be a new weapon rather than a modification. It'd be a stretch to call them modified cannon shells, since there is work that needs to be done into making sure the casing is the right thickness, getting the gunpowder configuration right, stuff like that. Things that are completely outside the realm of a regular old cannonball cannon.
A new cannon to fire them from would be a good idea too, since to my knowledge cannons generally can't actually fire on a very high arc, since a direct hit at that range is preposterous. But when you're exploding fragments at some point in the air, the area coverage lets you do serious damage at much longer ranges. Speaking of, we should probably give the operators tables giving recommended fuse lengths and angles at a given range on flat ground. Doing unnecessary trigonometry would only slow down firing.

[Snake1229]

I think that something like explosive shells should be a new weapon rather than a modification. It'd be a stretch to call them modified cannon shells, since there is work that needs to be done into making sure the casing is the right thickness, getting the gunpowder configuration right, stuff like that. Things that are completely outside the realm of a regular old cannonball cannon.
A new cannon to fire them from would be a good idea too, since to my knowledge cannons generally can't actually fire on a very high arc, since a direct hit at that range is preposterous. But when you're exploding fragments at some point in the air, the area coverage lets you do serious damage at much longer ranges. Speaking of, we should probably give the operators tables giving recommended fuse lengths and angles at a given range on flat ground. Doing unnecessary trigonometry would only slow down firing.

I like the idea of explosive shells, but currently we do not have anything good to fire them out of due to the fact that the ship failed. (at least i think)