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[Hawk132]

We could try to improve our musket cartridges and/or make our muskets breech-loaded and/or rifle them.

[flazeo25]

Looks like it needs a stronger hull by reinforcing the wood better and engine needs to be more compartmentalized.

[tntey]

Looks like it needs a stronger hull by reinforcing the wood better and engine needs to be more compartmentalized.

Also, we need paddles that actually work.

[flazeo25]

Looks like it needs a stronger hull by reinforcing the wood better and engine needs to be more compartmentalized.

Also, we need paddles that actually work.

Agreed should we try to fix them all?

[Graknorke]

So complexity is based on time rather than literally on complexity? Good to know I guess.

That shouldn't be too much a problem for rifling since that was invented in the 16th century, and people just didn't bother with it until the 19th. Still kind of wary of it though, after the Mulard's flop. We could try and fix that either I guess.

And for Zan: If the ship couldn't move with screws then it wouldn't be able to move with paddles either, since the screw is more energy efficient than paddles by a considerable way, so if there's a thrust issue with propellers there's just a power problem in general and really we shouldn't be able to use the thing at all.

[tntey]

So complexity is based on time rather than literally on complexity? Good to know I guess.

That shouldn't be too much a problem for rifling since that was invented in the 16th century, and people just didn't bother with it until the 19th. Still kind of wary of it though, after the Mulard's flop. We could try and fix that either I guess.

And for Zan: If the ship couldn't move with screws then it wouldn't be able to move with paddles either, since the screw is more energy efficient than paddles by a considerable way, so if there's a thrust issue with propellers there's just a power problem in general and really we shouldn't be able to use the thing at all.

So what do you propose we do? Also, I wouldn't be opposed to changing the musket to a rifle.

[Graknorke]

I'll throw my hat in with rifling. Maybe later we could go for breech-loading but right now the chance of that going wrong (a very high chance. delicate movable parts don't mix well with explosions) isn't worth it.

[Hawk132]

Rifling is good.

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

And for Zan: If the ship couldn't move with screws then it wouldn't be able to move with paddles either, since the screw is more energy efficient than paddles by a considerable way, so if there's a thrust issue with propellers there's just a power problem in general and really we shouldn't be able to use the thing at all.

It's really more that no one knows how to build them completely properly at this point and they fucked up the implementation.  If you had gotten the best roll, you would have been able to get them even with the penalty for that roll.  However, the roll was a bit subpar that, with the penalty, kneecapped the ability to make them with this version.

[tntey]

Next turn should we make rifles that load using recoil? I have plans on how it could work.

[Graknorke]

Next turn should we make rifles that load using recoil? I have plans on how it could work.

I honestly have no idea what that means. We don't have anything like magazines and even breech loading isn't very practical without proper mass-production.

[tntey]

Next turn should we make rifles that load using recoil? I have plans on how it could work.

I honestly have no idea what that means. We don't have anything like magazines and even breech loading isn't very practical without proper mass-production.

A gun that reloads using recoil uses the recoil of a bullet being shot to load another bullet into the guns chamber.

[tntey]

Is it plausible to create a crossbow of some sort that fires Molotov cocktails?

[Graknorke]

A gun that reloads using recoil uses the recoil of a bullet being shot to load another bullet into the guns chamber.

Which requires a magazine. Which is the kind of thing we just couldn't do right now. The simplest you could get it would be hand loaded (like so) and that still requires the kind of precision engineering that just doesn't exist in the 1780s. If we want faster load times our most reasonable bet is breech loading and even that's probably not going to go smoothly.

But this is a discussion for next year anyway. Right now we should wait and see if there's any objections to rifling. And actually we'd better define what that is huh:

Spoiler: 'Samara' rifled musket (click to show/hide)

Variation of the Brown Bess with 4 rifling grooves cut down the barrel, used with lead bullets that expand into the grooves upon detonation of the gunpowder. The barrel is shortened to facilitate easier loading, and the weapon is primarily distributed to longer-range sharpshooters.

And Napoleon thought rifles were useless. We'll show him! One way or the other.


ninjad: tntey are you drunk?
EDIT: Sorry that was pretty rude to say. It was meant to sound more light-hearted than it probably did. Tar-tipped crossbows definitely were a thing but they're only really good for burning settlements and that's not the kind of thing we want to do.

[tntey]

A Molotov cocktail shooter would be amazing. It can break up a line of soldiers, and burn down ships.