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Author Topic: Arms Race: 1780 - British Loyalists - 1782 Production Phase  (Read 36748 times)

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Re: Arms Race: 1780 - British Loyalists - 1782 Espionage Phase
« Reply #420 on: December 06, 2015, 05:44:36 am »

I am not sure we would be able to do it well.
For one, we have a brig, not a ketch. So it would be a bomb brig.

But also, bomb ketches needed to have masts moved to avoid interfering with the mortar and the hulls reinforced to withstand the recoil from the big cannons. when you are manking so many changes to the hull, you have a new ship.

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« Reply #421 on: December 06, 2015, 03:03:19 pm »

I support stealing the rotary gun with espionage.  It sucks we messed up both revision and design.

For our landing, we need to land deep in either sides territory to avoid the bulk of their forces and actually have a chance at succeeding the landing.
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« Reply #422 on: December 06, 2015, 05:43:20 pm »

Both brigs and ketches have only 2 masts.
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« Reply #423 on: December 06, 2015, 05:47:42 pm »

We need to name a ship the Humbug at some point.

Mostly to screw with our officers.
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« Reply #424 on: December 06, 2015, 05:50:17 pm »

Damn, I do hope someone tries to steal our design.
The sudden realization they just got a piece of complete junk instead of something that at least works will be glorious.
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« Reply #425 on: December 06, 2015, 05:54:32 pm »

So do we mess with everyone by saying we have a shit design in the International thread?
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« Reply #426 on: December 06, 2015, 06:12:12 pm »

It works, its just pricey as can be.
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« Reply #427 on: December 06, 2015, 06:28:17 pm »

The design doesn't.
The revision does.
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« Reply #428 on: December 06, 2015, 10:11:36 pm »

actually, I think the revision is worse than the design.

either way, whoever steals it still gets a bunch of free tech.

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« Reply #429 on: December 07, 2015, 12:44:22 am »

On a side note, considering we just made the bullets cheaper when redesigning it, does that mean it's no longer theoretical but merely a national effeort?

In that case, we can use our production focus on it and get rapid tech cheapening.
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« Reply #430 on: December 07, 2015, 12:51:19 am »

indeed, it should be a national effort. I think.

our bullets had some problems with the rifling, but I am not sure if it is going to be ported to the older design.

I wouldn't oppose spending a focus on it, if it gets us tech faster.

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« Reply #431 on: December 07, 2015, 12:53:13 am »

I think its just very expensive, actually... Letssee... Two complex techs and a normal tech...

Next turn we probably will want to spend the revision trying to work out the final kinks in breachloading and rifling. Provided whatever we design works right.

-ninja edit-

We knocked one thing down a level,a dn removed another thing, which removed two levels of complexity. It went from theoretical to very expensive as a result.
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« Reply #432 on: December 07, 2015, 01:05:01 am »

the revision is very expensive, yes. The revision is also significantly worse than the original. The original was barely useable, so the revision is basically junk.

the design version is now a national effort. It is bad, but I think somewhat workable.

And when we want a working rifle, I suggest we spend a design on it, because this looks like unsalvageable.

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« Reply #433 on: December 07, 2015, 03:01:50 am »

Well, if the design version is now a national effort, that means that it being in production will make all the tech we put in it more available and easier to use, so in the long term I count this as a win, speaking for myself.
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« Reply #434 on: December 07, 2015, 04:07:19 am »

National effort is only in production if we focus on it.

Edit : On a side note, we might want to focus on something to boost our industry for next turn. Can't let the enemy get too far ahead.
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