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[3_14159]

Sure, that'll work, why aren't we designing a better pistol again?  We could use our revision on the rifle and our sailors would be better armed.

I'd rather not, mostly because a pistol will represent only a small increase in effectiveness both our soldiers and our sailors. A rifle, on the other hand, will be a bigger increase in effectiveness for (probably) both of them. Even if it doesn't increase the effectiveness of our sailors by that much - we currently have unchallenged naval supremacy. I don't think it'll be needed soon.

[Aseaheru]

 It would probably be safer doing it the other way around. Swapping something from flintlock to percussion cap is a rather simple process compared to large-scale reworks of the ass-end of it.

[Kot]

I'll agree with you Aseaheru, if you admit that revolvers > pepperboxes.
If not, I'll go with the rifle.
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[3_14159]

Generally, Aseaheru, I agree with you that we should rather build a breechloader than a muzzleloader. I'm just not sure whether the time is right for it. On the other hand, if we're going to use a revision action anyways, why not just go with the most ambitious design first? Let's combine them...

Spoiler: Imperial Rifle Mk. I (Compromise) (click to show/hide)

The Imperial Rifle Mk.1 consists of a 760mm, 16mm-calibre rifled barrel in which seven grooves are cut. Contrary to the Baker Rifle, and expanding on ammo observed to be used in the Samara rifle, it uses a cast soft-lead bullet which will expand on being fired, grip the grooves and clean them of blackpowder residue. The rear of the stock features a section that, when a side-mounted knob on the breachblock is rotated the rearmost section of the barrel pops out, allowing the loading from its paper cartridge. Powder is issued - as usual - in paper cartridges to be ripped open and poured into the rifle; riflemen are additionally issued a powder horn for more accurate shots.
In the end, the rifle will be able to accurately hit a man-sized target with 90% of its shots at 300m, and marksmen will be to fire accurately up to 500m. Ity also uses copper percussion caps to prime and fire the rifle rather than previous flintlock systems.
It also sports a mount for the same type of socket bayonets as on the Brown Bess.

Depending on what works and what doesn't, we can replace the percussion caps or the breach in a revision.

[tryrar]

AAAND we've come full circle on the proposals :p

Edit:To simplify things I'm not changing my vote unless this new compromise proposal gets some support-just so we're not here a week debating this

[Aseaheru]

I'll agree with you Aseaheru, if you admit that revolvers > pepperboxes.
If not, I'll go with the rifle.
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Revolvers eventually trump pepperboxes. Starting with round-about the US civil war.

Anyways, doing everything at once is fine with me. +1

_{Though, I dont really like the name...}

[3_14159]

AAAND we've come full circle on the proposals :p

Exactly.
For me, it's very simple: I believe the Imperial Take 2 the best approach if we're only going to spend a single action on rifles. If we spend two anyways, I'll go with the most optimistic proposal first (on the chance of it turning out good) and rather simplify later.

_{Though, I dont really like the name...}

'Compromise' is only to distinguish it from the rest. Unless you don't like Imperial, in which case - what do you propose instead?

[Aseaheru]

Royal? Fast Action? some conglomeration of arms factories names? WONE? NEWO? I like Newo.

[tryrar]

Heh, whatever we call it, I'm switching to it(I know, I'm a filthy liar )

[Happerry]

Our current royal monarch is George III, so why not call it the King George Rifle?

[3_14159]

Our current royal monarch is George III, so why not call it the King George Rifle?

I originally wanted to call it something like the Worchester-Pattern Rifle (after one of our cities), but I can get behind the King George Rifle.

[tryrar]

Our current royal monarch is George III, so why not call it the King George Rifle?

I originally wanted to call it something like the Worchester-Pattern Rifle (after one of our cities), but I can get behind the King George Rifle.

+1 ,all the way!

[Kot]

We are going to fail so hard at this. Percussion caps, paper cartridges, breech loading (get us metal cartridges and it's a bloody bolt action, we just need an magazine for it).
I am all for it tho. We're pretty safe right now so we can risk wasting an design or even revision phase on it. Or even multiple revisions.

[fillipk]

Okay I support the King George Rifle.

[Aseaheru]

paper cartridges,

Already existed.

breech loading (get us metal cartridges and it's a bloody bolt action, we just need an magazine for it).

It opens up the other way.

Besides, whats a weapon design game without doing crazy shit like designing steam-powered tanks, assault rifles in the 1930s, or percussion caps?