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[Kot]

Let's make a breech-loading cannon too, maybe? Then we will make some kind of Linder Carbine or something.

[3_14159]

Let's make a breech-loading cannon too, maybe? Then we will make some kind of Linder Carbine or something.

I'd rather not make a breech-loading cannon in 1780. There's a reason why people didn't build breechloaders at that time. It looks roughly like this, but two hundred years later.

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

Prior Message

A Message from the Roberts Island Colonial Government to the Board of Engineers, January, 1781

Greetings loyal engineers of the British Empire.  Your designs proved to be work very well for us.  The conflict at sea is virtually assured to go our direction with the power granted to us by the Nelson and her future kin.  The increase in material brought about by the wagonways shall prove to give us another advantage in our future construction.  However, your thoughts of attempting to make a beachhead at the mainland was disastrous.  We are not equipped for dealing with the power of those on the land at the current time.  I would suggest you work upon that at some point.

As for our scouts, they had been unable to secure the recent design of the Confederacy.  However, all was not lost.  They did report that they had seen the spies of the Atterton Monarchy having grabbed their hands on the plans of the Victoria rifle.  A check of our own blueprints has shown that none have been stolen, meaning either the Confederacy failed to get their hands on any of our designs or they went after the Monarchy.

In other news, we have managed to press the importance of recent events upon some traders and we should soon expect some forces of the Empire to come to our aid within a relatively short period of time.  From our predictions, the Empire is a bit more concerned about the American rebellion, so it is likely that those events will need to be finished up before they are able to send forces here.  It should not be long, so make sure we are able to provide his Majesty's forces with something useful when they arrive.

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Begin 1781 Design Phase

Note: Determination of what the carts will provide will be in the Production phase.

[Aseaheru]

 So, keep pressing home our naval advantage via working on our ships, upgrade the air rifle, get a lindner system rifle, or work on cannon or carronades?

 Im thinking carronades or a lindner system rifle personally.

[fillipk]

I think something involving canons or a better engine/boat design/structural material would be good.

[10ebbor10]

The problem with improving our cannons is, that we then need to revise each and every single ship to use these new cannons. On the other hand, our cannons positively suck. They're, at the moment, outranged even by contemporary 4-pounders, who attain a range at least twice as great.

https://books.google.be/books?id=hb7DHfs8aZ4C&pg=PA14&dq=Valliere+system&hl=nl#v=onepage&q=range&f=false

This leads me to suspect that even though our weaponry is referred to as being smooth bore, it's actually cast. (A bit of an anachronysm in terminology causing this confusion). As such, I propose we steal some technology from the Frogs and revolutionize our artillery.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gribeauval_system

Imperial 6 Pound Artillery

Unlike previous artillery pieces, which were cast around a clay cylinder, which can result in deformities, these guns are cast as a solid block of metal. The bore is then bored out by a rather large stationary drill. The effect of this are significant. The tighter mechanical tolerances result in a greater muzzle velocity, better accuracy, and allow for the gun to be greatly lightened. It is expected that an effective range of 800 meters should be feasible.

[Aseaheru]

Supporting this plan. We probally dont have the metalworking tech for anything much better yet.

[3_14159]

However, your thoughts of attempting to make a beachhead at the mainland was disastrous.  We are not equipped for dealing with the power of those on the land at the current time.  I would suggest you work upon that at some point.

Yeah, my fault. I had expected this to work better.

Looking at the weapons they designed, I saw a few very interesting things.
Atterton went for a nice, fairly conservative design alteration to the Brown Bess, producing a blackpowder rifle. Very nice, and it seems to be fairly effective. On the other hand, their steamship seems atrocious, and an example for a design that's been too far ahead.
Dunwich went for air rifles, and for air rifles again. It seems to've been worth it, though. We should possibly go for stealing the design this turn.

The problem with improving our cannons is, that we then need to revise each and every single ship to use these new cannons. On the other hand, our cannons positively suck. They're, at the moment, outranged even by contemporary 4-pounders, who attain a range at least twice as great.

https://books.google.be/books?id=hb7DHfs8aZ4C&pg=PA14&dq=Valliere+system&hl=nl#v=onepage&q=range&f=false

This leads me to suspect that even though our weaponry is referred to as being smooth bore, it's actually cast. (A bit of an anachronysm in terminology causing this confusion). As such, I propose we steal some technology from the Frogs and revolutionize our artillery.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gribeauval_system

Imperial 6 Pound Artillery

Unlike previous artillery pieces, which were cast around a clay cylinder, which can result in deformities, these guns are cast as a solid block of metal. The bore is then bored out by a rather large stationary drill. The effect of this are significant. The tighter mechanical tolerances result in a greater muzzle velocity, better accuracy, and allow for the gun to be greatly lightened. It is expected that an effective range of 800 meters should be feasible.

Thirding. Also, include an improved field carriage.

Also, @Zanzetkuken:
1. If we design the cannon, do we have to upgrade our ships?
2. Can we specify the availability of canister rounds during the design phase?

[coleslaw35]

https://books.google.be/books?id=hb7DHfs8aZ4C&pg=PA14&dq=Valliere+system&hl=nl#v=onepage&q=range&f=false

Dat Dutch link doe

Also, would it be possible to do our cannon action as a revision oooor...?

[Kot]

https://books.google.be/books?id=hb7DHfs8aZ4C&pg=PA14&dq=Valliere+system&hl=nl#v=onepage&q=range&f=false

Dat Dutch link doe

Also, would it be possible to do our cannon action as a revision oooor...?

I'd rather use a design action on cannons, so we will be able to throw more stuff into them and so on. We're pretty safe right now and the artillery is our main requirement right now. Let's fortify the shit out of our little island and have horrednously powerful navy. If it worked for the Homeland, why wouldn't it work for us?

[coleslaw35]

https://books.google.be/books?id=hb7DHfs8aZ4C&pg=PA14&dq=Valliere+system&hl=nl#v=onepage&q=range&f=false

Dat Dutch link doe

Also, would it be possible to do our cannon action as a revision oooor...?

I'd rather use a design action on cannons, so we will be able to throw more stuff into them and so on. We're pretty safe right now and the artillery is our main requirement right now. Let's fortify the shit out of our little island and have horrednously powerful navy. If it worked for the Homeland, why wouldn't it work for us?

Fair enough. And yeah, turtleing on our island for a bit as we build up our defenses would make us so much more resilient.

[Aseaheru]

Until we tap every bit of resources on our little rock.

[fillipk]

We probably won't though not for a while, I support the artillery, let us take full control of the seas

[10ebbor10]

If we design the cannon, do we have to upgrade our ships?

Revision of the cannon to reduce cost would produce a new variety of cannon, which would not bring down the cost of the ship as it is not designed to hold the new cannon.

[Kot]

If we design the cannon, do we have to upgrade our ships?

Revision of the cannon to reduce cost would produce a new variety of cannon, which would not bring down the cost of the ship as it is not designed to hold the new cannon.

That's revision. What about the design? Let's design a cannon that is much better but still fits into the old ship!