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Yes, we need one anyway.

17 (21.8%)

No, we should take that elsewhere and keep this thread as-is.

27 (34.6%)

I don't care, let's see what happens.

34 (43.6%)

Total Members Voted: 75

[SaberToothTiger]

Just to make sure, do you mean accepting or being exempt from joint military operations?

[SirQuiamus]

Comedy: Beardbros try to shut down ex-muslim talk by using SJW tactics.

lol lrn 2 socjus, scrubs

[Loud Whispers]

Just to make sure, do you mean accepting or being exempt from joint military operations?

No I mean excepting. Not killing your compatriots is easy, it just means doing nothing to them which requires no effort whatsoever. But joint military operations means doing something, and when doing stuff killing allies happens

The logs also show that British forces were mistakenly attacked by US and other coalition units at least 11 times

Guys pls

[Shadowlord]

Also your own guys, like Pat Tillman.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

That wasn't blue-on-blue, that was murder.

[Loud Whispers]

That wasn't blue-on-blue, that was murder.

Lane and another Ranger were wounded; Tillman and an Afghan soldier fighting beside him, which may have caused some confusion, were killed. Based on the soldiers accounts, Mary Tillman believes she's pieced together her son's final moments.

"In the end, we feel he was hit in the chest. And it, you know, he had on his body armor, but, you know, it's very powerful when you're hit like that. And it stunned him and he went down. And then they shot him in the head three times," she says.

"He was screaming for them to stop," Couric remarks.

"Yeah. And he was screaming, 'Cease fire.' He was screaming his name. You know, 'I'm Pat Tillman.' Like, 'What's wrong with you?'" Mary Tillman explains.

"And what about for you, the notion that, his own brothers were firing on him?" Couric asks.

"Well, it's hard to take," Tillman says. "When we heard it was a friendly fire, I felt terrible for these soldiers. We didn't go into immediate, you know, 'Oh, these awful men, they need to be punished.' I felt terrible for these young men. And I still do, to a degree. But I don't think it was the horrible accident that they like to play this out. I think there was huge negligence involved here."
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-really-happened-to-pat-tillman/2/

These stories make me sad

One night in October 2006 a British patrol, festooned with the blue light sticks, agreed on as a sign to identify themselves as friendly, reported they had been shot at by US troops who had no night vision goggles and had been listening to their iPods.

Blue light sticks
Speaking of blue on blue, there's also that issue of infiltration on native ground forces; in Afghanistan it was Al Qaeda infiltrating Afghan security forces to attack coalition troops and the obvious question is what ground forces are available to the allies that aren't compromised (significantly anyways)

[Strife26]

Is there a point? Blue on blue incidents happen all the goddamn time. It's a recognized problem that's always going to be there, just like guys getting killed during training when they roll a vehicle or crash a helicopter.

[Loud Whispers]

Is there a point? Blue on blue incidents happen all the goddamn time. It's a recognized problem that's always going to be there, just like guys getting killed during training when they roll a vehicle or crash a helicopter.

Yeah my point was that's the only time avoiding not killing your compatriots happens

[Starver]

Yeah my point was that's the only time avoiding not killing your compatriots happens

I'm not sure I have been fully following this latest spur of the conversation, by those involved, especially with (apparent) double-negatives like this.  Would "...not avoiding killing..." have been a viable way of rephrasing this, or am I misparsing the intended context and grammar?

(BTW, not wanting to be a Thread Nazi, but is this straying beyond Paris?)

[Helgoland]

I guess I could change the title - any suggestions? A new Europol thread is needed at some point, but I don't really feel up for the task - maybe I'll nag Sheb about making one.

[Loud Whispers]

I'm tempted to remake it with the original rules and the addendum to not talk about immigration in it, since that tends to dominate the yurop discussion very quickly and everyone is highly passionate about it; then we could have a separate immigration thread which is more chill and detached from the personal stakes everyone has in politics

[MetalSlimeHunt]

If only we had some kind of quarantine thread where people could go to yell about immigration and other...various nonsense.

[Helgoland]

-snip-

I don't mean any disrespect, but somehow I doubt that you're the right guy for the job... Ideally the OP should stay somewhat distanced from the discussion.

Maybe we should get one of the Americans to do it. smj, would you be up for that?

[Loud Whispers]

I don't really care who makes it so no worries Helgo; only American I think could do it is Orange Wizard who's got a religion megathread with no casualties

[Strife26]

If only we had some kind of quarantine thread where people could go to yell about immigration and other...various nonsense.

*applauds politely*