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Yes, we need one anyway.

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No, we should take that elsewhere and keep this thread as-is.

27 (34.6%)

I don't care, let's see what happens.

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[Loud Whispers]

I don't know, that's what I think most Euroballers are like. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

say that to my face m8

you in the wrong station get off

[MetalSlimeHunt]

I don't know, that's what I think most Euroballers are like. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

say that to my face m8

you in the wrong station get off

go burn down a couple more of your own cities tory

i hear the manchester whasthefucks didn't pray guinness on every fake injury last game

[Loud Whispers]

go burn down a couple more of your own cities tory

i hear the manchester whasthefucks didn't pray guinness on every fake injury last game

nice actin m8 get an oscar for it

[TD1]

Or maybe this is the equivalent of neonazi football fans, which I don't think are usually considered to indicate common opinions.

From what I understand, that all happened during halftime or after the match, when tensions were running high and people were hyped or depressed. Even at that, it does reflect badly on the locals that attended. The Turkish one was before the start of the game, during a time dedicated to the fallen. If people started booing the American national Anthem during a...soccer...match, I think you would see it as indicative of some form of ill feeling among the local populous, not just restricted to the football stage. As it is, Americans don't boo the National Anthem. The Turkish do boo the minute silence.

Edit: Also, just read this about a Neo-Nazi thingumy.

Dortmund is a football city, but it's also a stronghold for right-wing extremists. In 2000, neo-Nazi Michael Berger shot and killed three police officers in Dortmund and nearby Waltrop, before turning the gun on himself. Dortmund reported the largest number of crimes committed by right-wing extremists in the state of North Rhine-Westphalia: 131 in the first half of 2012. The aid organization Back Up currently attends to the needs of 30 victims of right-wing extremist violence in Dortmund.

There are neo-Nazi residential communities near the university. Oberdorstfeld, a former miners' district, is now home to entire skinhead neighborhoods, seemingly idyllic with their playgrounds and flowerbeds graced with garden gnomes.

At the very least it shows problems in that city. And if it's a problem in one city, why not others?

[That Wolf]

I watched a really good doco on Al jazera and it was about daesh, it had kids (teens) nervously talking about bombing themselves and they also said things like "when we grow up" its sad that such an uneducated ignorant bunch of bandit raiders can actually have a foot hold in the worlds media. I could claim it was my plan and you wouldnt believe me but im sure you have thought it was Daesh or Alqueda or such, it was damaged broken individuals that found eachother and attacked a nation that isnt excactly a good nation. Every body has got their hands in creating tensions through the world and creating extremist groups and play the woe is me card.
Remember that propoganda kills. Remember that Daesh didnt exsist before the invasion.
The loss of life should have been avoided but its not suprising that people died. Wow only 150+ died. What about all the iraq afgans syrians all the countrys that america, britian, russia, israel, france, australia, china etc have killed. Its a massive number.
But sure most media will tell you to feel for a couple of hundred french but not for hundreds of thousands of middle easterns.
Like said propoganda kills.
I wonder how many bombs france dropped killed innocents, and how many innocents.
We all fuel this world war, the question is.
Do you feel moraly justified to allow it to continue.

Thank you for letting me speak

[TheDarkStar]

And Brussels in on high alert over fears of a terrorist attack. Apparently there's something credible enough for the police to take preventative measures.

[Erkki]

Unfortunately, I do not believe that Al-Qaeda, Taleban, ISIS etc. are the kind of bunch thats safe to turn the other cheek to. They cannot be negotiated with. Unfortunately, as you mention, fighting them also produces more good soil for their radical, violent view of world to grow in. Its a catch 22 where violence produces more violence. Even forced peace and re-occupation of Syria and Iraq by Western armed forces would perhaps just add more fuel to the fire in the short run.

[Sergarr]

Unfortunately, I do not believe that Al-Qaeda, Taleban, ISIS etc. are the kind of bunch thats safe to turn the other cheek to. They cannot be negotiated with. Unfortunately, as you mention, fighting them also produces more good soil for their radical, violent view of world to grow in. Its a catch 22 where violence produces more violence. Even forced peace and re-occupation of Syria and Iraq by Western armed forces would perhaps just add more fuel to the fire in the short run.

You know, there was a time when jihadists weren't a terrorist threat to anyone outside their local area of habitat. And it wasn't very back in the past, too - only 50 years ago!

Something tells me that it was not because modern jihadists are somehow inherently different from jihadists of back then. Maybe you should try to learn something about history of the region to understand how to keep the lid on jihadist threat.

[Erkki]

Unfortunately, I do not believe that Al-Qaeda, Taleban, ISIS etc. are the kind of bunch thats safe to turn the other cheek to. They cannot be negotiated with. Unfortunately, as you mention, fighting them also produces more good soil for their radical, violent view of world to grow in. Its a catch 22 where violence produces more violence. Even forced peace and re-occupation of Syria and Iraq by Western armed forces would perhaps just add more fuel to the fire in the short run.

You know, there was a time when jihadists weren't a terrorist threat to anyone outside their local area of habitat. And it wasn't very back in the past, too - only 50 years ago!

Something tells me that it was not because modern jihadists are somehow inherently different from jihadists of back then. Maybe you should try to learn something about history of the region to understand how to keep the lid on jihadist threat.

Maybe you should study European history since 50s years ago and see what has happened to means of transportation and the national borders... Starting from the NATO - Warsaw Pact one. Basically, they've hated West since the Turks left, except Saudis, because they're batshit rich swimming in oil even when they're basically what ISIS would be should they succeed in Syria and Iraq.

Also Jihadists arent now and havent yet been an existential threat to any nation in Europe. Quite unlike what they are and have been in places such as the various African nations like Somalia, Sudan etc. plus of course Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and so forth in the Middle East.

[smjjames]

Unfortunately, I do not believe that Al-Qaeda, Taleban, ISIS etc. are the kind of bunch thats safe to turn the other cheek to. They cannot be negotiated with. Unfortunately, as you mention, fighting them also produces more good soil for their radical, violent view of world to grow in. Its a catch 22 where violence produces more violence. Even forced peace and re-occupation of Syria and Iraq by Western armed forces would perhaps just add more fuel to the fire in the short run.

You know, there was a time when jihadists weren't a terrorist threat to anyone outside their local area of habitat. And it wasn't very back in the past, too - only 50 years ago!

Something tells me that it was not because modern jihadists are somehow inherently different from jihadists of back then. Maybe you should try to learn something about history of the region to understand how to keep the lid on jihadist threat.

Maybe you should study European history since 50s years ago and see what has happened to means of transportation and the national borders... Starting from the NATO - Warsaw Pact one. Basically, they've hated West since the Turks left, except Saudis, because they're batshit rich swimming in oil even when they're basically what ISIS would be should they succeed in Syria and Iraq.

Also Jihadists arent now and havent yet been an existential threat to any nation in Europe. Quite unlike what they are and have been in places such as the various African nations like Somalia, Sudan etc. plus of course Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and so forth in the Middle East.

Do you know what else was changed 50 years ago? The internet didn't exist yet.

[Sheb]

And Brussels in on high alert over fears of a terrorist attack. Apparently there's something credible enough for the police to take preventative measures.

Quite a mess. All the metro station close, as well as the Schuman train station (which is in front of the European Commission, but also where I take the train to the uni). They even search my bags when I went to the supermarket in case I ahd a bomb or something.

[Sergarr]

Maybe you should study European history since 50s years ago and see what has happened to means of transportation and the national borders... Starting from the NATO - Warsaw Pact one. Basically, they've hated West since the Turks left, except Saudis, because they're batshit rich swimming in oil even when they're basically what ISIS would be should they succeed in Syria and Iraq.

Also Jihadists arent now and havent yet been an existential threat to any nation in Europe. Quite unlike what they are and have been in places such as the various African nations like Somalia, Sudan etc. plus of course Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and so forth in the Middle East.

They can hate the West all they want, as long as their terrorists remain in their local shithole I don't care.

Also that sounds like a really good argument for closing borders with Middle East. I mean, have they even brought us anything positive? Like, anything at all? I'm searching my memory and the only examples seem to be from the far, far past. Currently, their only exports seem to be oil and terror...

Do you know what else was changed 50 years ago? The internet didn't exist yet.

How's that relevant? Are you arguing that Internet is somehow making jihadists more likely to go for international terrorism?

[miauw62]

Oil easily makes up for everything else, probably.

[TD1]

Oil easily makes up for everything else, probably.

Cheap oil, more to the point. America has plenty of the stuff, but it's not nearly as cheap as getting it produced elsewhere. Seems anything that keeps those prices down is a good thing...

[smjjames]

Do you know what else was changed 50 years ago? The internet didn't exist yet.

How's that relevant? Are you arguing that Internet is somehow making jihadists more likely to go for international terrorism?

No, just making a point that the non-existence of the internet isn't neccesarily what kept a lid on things.