Never mind, actually, HP takes too friggin' long.
OSG Replaced Tntey, far more active. Even with Star Wars. Does some pretty thourough analysis on Saber and FillipK. Day 3, Claims they can find player's original alignment, but not clones. Hector is not clone lord. Accuses Hector of waiting for Sabers claim so that Saber won't be able to counterclaim/so that Hector can fake-claim safely. Null read
This is the one that most bothers me. Given that you're jumping to fairly significant conclusions regarding your later reads, how does OSG "clearing" me not read as scummy when you do the same regarding my read on SabahToof? It's pretty much the exact same thing.
How is you NOT being the clone lord due to a POWER ROLE the same thing as Saber being town due to a GUT FEELING?
Seriously, it's not the same thing. He claims that you can't be the Clone Lord (he doesn't say you can't be cult), due to his power. If you were the cult lord, then OSG AND FoU would have to be converts. Which would mean I had to be cult, which would mean the only town player left would be Saber.
SaberToothTiger target for a lot of suspicion and votes, but avoided being lynched by fillipK being scummier. This is the only post where I see him doing any scum hunting, and only against FillipK. At day end, their closing comment was "nothing to say". Day 3 their activity plummets. Once they finally post they defend Hector and claim VT. Behavior leads me to believe that there's no chance they were ever converted, so likely CL
I assume you meant this post for the claim and defense. Not really sure how it was defending me, given it was a sentence saying they don't agree with FoU, but okay. As I've said, I think it's n00b town behaviour rather than scumminess, but I can't fault your conclusion, at least in isolation...
Yes, that's where he defends you. Where they say they don't like someone's attack on you, a classic chainsaw defense (look up on a beginner's mafia what that means).
What about his behaviour leads you to believe that he hasn't been converted?
It hasn't changed, period. It's still consistent. The only thing that's changed is how other people react to him, specifically you.
FallacyofUrist As with "Trump IV", there's the pot of coffee. The summaries of his cases don't feel quite right - his case against FillipK could also apply against Saber. Opened day 3 by repeating attack on Saber while calling out hector. Claims Trapmaster, targeted only me. Convinced Hector is town still for "good hunting". But takes prompts from Hector, too... If he was converted, then Hector is CL, but somewhat town read
I can fault this conclusion, however, particularly when you say that his summaries don't feel right. I'd like to see you trying to clear them up so you don't feel uncomfortable with them. Which summaries in paritcular, if any, don't feel right? What makes you feel like that?
I'm not sure how you can say I'm the CL if he was converted, seems a bit backwards to me. Could you talk me through your logic here?
Location of summariesIt doesn't sit right with me that he doesn't notice that Saber didn't do any scum hunting, but said that same thing about FillipK as if Saber was innocent of that. Everything he is accusing FillipK of in his summaries, Saber is also guilty of, PLUS what he's accusing Saber of, and yet he's voting for FillipK.
So my logic: If falacy is the convert, who converted him? Saber, you, OSG, or myself? Saber wouldn't make sense, unless they've been doing some elaborate bussing. OSG wouldn't make sense, because I for one believe his claimed ability. I don't make sense, because I'm confirmed not the clone lord to myself. By process of elimination, if Falacy was converted, the only person who could have done it would be you. So why would he then claim megggas and you can't be the clone lord? Because if he's converted, megggas is dead and a safe fake-target (or maybe he really did target megggas N1), and it draws suspicion away from you.
Hector13 Still observant through day 2. Less active hunting, shorter posts, but still active and responsive. Thinks Saber is noob town. Opens day 3 with vote for OSG without explaining why. Suspects FoU and stubbornly blocks FoU's efforts, waiting for Saber, still insisting Saber does not seem scummy. Claims VT once Saber does.Very likely converted Night 2, would imply Saber is CL
More explaining to do. You say that I'm likely to have been converted, and if so, that would mean Saber is CL.
Unfortunately, that's not a good argument since a) you don't know if I've been converted and b) how am I any more likely than the others to have been converted. You, for example, softclaimed a PR. Why would Saber, someone who has claimed to be new, risk leaving a PR unchecked and go for someone who has been active but hasn't suspected him post-D1?
a) I have strong reason to suspect you've been converted, even if I don't know
b) maybe night 1 they tried to convert me and failed. I hadn't claimed my 1-shot convert immune, so maybe they figured I was just immune and HAD to leave the PR unchecked. Or maybe you were converted before I softclaimed.
Honestly, again, it's a matter of proccess of elimination.
Potential Clone Lord: ------ Reason they can't have converted you:
Me: Can kill
OSG: Well... the case is loose, but they could have. They DID claim to target you, and claim you're not the CL. It would be true if they were the CL.
Falacy: Too busy asking you to claim to be part of your team. You'd have to be more cooperative.
Leaving only Saber. Maaaaaybe OSG.
Again, it feels a bit backwards to think "if x was converted then y must be CL." but this could just be a difference in scum-hunting... it seems like you're making two assumptions, rather than just one (e.g. "y is CL because of z behaviour") and the more assumptions you have to make, the more likely you are to be wrong.
Sherlock Holmes: When you eliminate all the impossibilities, whatever remains, no matter how improbably, must be the truth.