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[origamiscienceguy]

Spoiler: ramble rambo (click to show/hide)

Time to find the Clone Lord.

tntey: Why are you scum?
TheDarkStar: Hi.
fillipk: Why are tntey's ally?
Chromatic Wasp: Does this vote bother you?
SabreTooth Tiger: If you had a one-shot investigate, would you use it night 1?
Megggas: When would you vote to NL in this game?
FOU: If you had a one-shot daykill, who would you shoot right now?
hector13: How many cult do you think there are?
flabort: How would you approach scumhunting in a cult game?

Seems kind of role-fishy here

FOU: If you had a one-shot daykill, who would you shoot right now?

If I had a choice, I wouldn't shoot anybody right now. Well, I would shoot somebody if I could read minds through text, but since I'm not psychic, it would be much better for me to wait on who to shoot.
If I didn't have a choice, I'd start by attempting to shoot Deus Asmoth, just in case he has some horrid twist involving him being a player planned, and if that failed... I'd go a tad bit crazy and use Random.org to decide for me, because the lack of intel makes trying to determine who the Clone Lord actually is basically impossible.

Day one is quite difficult to find friend from foe, but it is possible if you scumhunt hard enough. So this option seems a bit lazy.

Meggas: if you had to design a power role to completely balance the cult in this game, what would it be?

A single power role in this game?  I don't know any of the power roles in this game, so there's really no way I can answer that question from a game balance perspective.  This game could already be perfectly balanced for all I know.

But, if you are just talking about cult games in general, I suppose I would design the following role:

One-Shot Cult Surveyer
-At any point during the Day time, you can pm the mod the names of up to 3 players.  The mod will pm you back a number.  This number indicates how many of those players are cult-aligned.  You can use this ability once per game.

Before this game started, I had a strategy for if I started as the cult leader, which would involve fake claiming this imaginary role.  I would have done the following:
1.  At the beginning of Day 1, I would pick 3 players to interrogate heavily.
2.  I would then try to get the most suspicious of those three lynched.
3.  If people were suspicious of my behavior or weren't willing to go along with lynching that suspicious person, I would fake claim One-Shot Cult Surveyer, identify these 3 players as the ones I surveyed, and tell everyone that 1 of them is a cult member.
4.  Hopefully with the boost from my fake role claim, I would get that person lynched (who would obviously be revealed as town)
5.  During Night 1, I would recruit whichever player seems most likely to be a power role.
6.  During Day 2, I would heavily interrogate the two remaining "surveyed" people and lead a lynch on one of them, killing another townie.
7.  During Night 2, I would recruit another potential power role or whichever player is most likely to turn against me.
8.  During Day 3, I would lead a lynch against the remaining "surveyed" person.  I would tell one of my cult allies to suspiciously defend this person, seemingly out of nowhere.  Hopefully, people will recognize my ally as a cult member trying to protect his leader.  Then they'll lynch the final "surveyed" person, assuring my victory.

Of course, this plan would have failed horribly if any power roles like Detective, Trackers, or Watchers decided to target me.  For this plan to work, I also wouldn't be able to recruit the 3 people I targeted, so if one of them had a threatening power role, that would spell my doom.  It would have been fun if it succeeded though.

That is... oddly specific.

FoU: Why are you only questioning half the playerbase? _{^{Cultist scum!}}

Because I'm lazy. That's why.

So you admit it. That really isn't an issue though because I am very lazy too. I just thought that was funny.

I'm not a fan of inactivity, to the point I'm happy to look scummy to get less active players involved...

That is an interesting excuse to look scummy...

hector13:

However, your scenario doesn't seem to take into account that you, having lead several lynches (autocorrects to lunches... should lead to some amusing imagery) on townies, wouldn't fall under suspicion. If you were the Cult Leader, that may not be a good thing, given we don't know

a) if the cult leader dies do the cult lose recruiting ability

b) if the cult leader dies, do the town win as a result of cult suicide.

Could even be c) not really an issue for the cult beyond losing a member.

1.  My plan banked on the idea that my fake claim and my behavior before fake claiming would seem very reasonable for a townie, but totally insane and risky for a cult leader.  My first two mislynches would be forgiven based on the idea that my "role ability" already established that two of the "surveyed" people were regular townies, so the final person must be the cult leader.  If I came under serious suspicion by Day 3, I could utilize my allies and adapt the plan as necessary.  Perhaps fake myself as being "recruited to the cult" during the previous night and using WIFOM and my teammates to convince people that the remaining "surveyed" person is the true cult leader.
2.  If I was the Cult Leader, I would know how my death affects the cult and I would adapt the plan as necessary.  None of those 3 conditions you mentioned really affects the plan anyway.  If I misunderstood the point of your list, let me know.

Again, the specificity of this scenario is disturbing me slightly.
Hector
In general, you seem to be implying that the cult is completely overpowered. Two cults would win in an incredibly short amount of time.

oops, I have a dentist appointment. From what I have so far, I think Megggas and Flabort are town. (at least for day 1) FallacyofUrist and Hector are Neutral and the scummiest person for me would by TheDarkStar. I'll save a vote for when I finish this.

[FallacyofUrist]

Please FoU

Examine the top of the previous page, sil vous plait.
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Would you mind summarising your cases against both parties? For the lazy among us.

I am unfortunately just as lazy.

In a single sentence, however...

fillipk hardly scum hunted D1 and when he finally started to do so, it was rather reactionary.

SaberToothTiger was rather paranoid about being lynched D1 and tried to get attention away from himself.

Okay, here's a question for you, SaberToothTiger: why wasn't fillipk suspicious enough for you to risk his lynch? One advantage the town has over the cult is numbers. We can take a lot more hits than cult can(at least for now). If he died, and was town, we could still survive this.

And I still want him to answer this question.
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Now then. There are two people I want to post.
You can probably guess who.
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It has struck me that we're potentially in a MYLO situation.
We presently have 7 players alive, with probably 2 cult. Mis-lynching town puts us to 6, and then the cult (assuming they succeeded in a conversion N1 and N2) will have 3... controlling half the vote, and likely winning, especially if whoever killed TDS decides to kill another townie (intentionally or otherwise)

Oh shoot.
Whoever killed TDS: you have potentially ruined us.
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I'll second that Extend.
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FoU: I feel like there's some confirmation bias going on with him; should probably be murdered just for spoiling Force Awakens, but that's got nothing to do with the game...

Confirmation bias- now that I think about it, I think so. Some good counterarguments might help correct that.
... I spoiled Force Awakens inside a spoiler. Don't read it if you don't want to be spoiled.

[hector13]

I think Saber is probably n00b town. He's playing in a manner similar to how I played in my first game (so far the only game I was lynched D1) so... maybe it's just some kind of personal identification thing going on, but I don't think he's the CL. He hasn't really done anything pro-town though, so there's no evidence for that, and your reticence to view him in a town light is understandable.

I'm fine with fillipk being scumread he's either CL or a poorly playing PR.

I'm inclined to say the same thing about flabort. What do you think of his roleclaim/softclaiming?

And I know about the movie stuff... I had already seen it, and I wasn't particularly bothered by the spoilered bit anyway just being melodramatic.

[FallacyofUrist]

If we don't get some more activity here...
gragh.

Okay, here's a reads list:

Definitely Town(FallacyofUrist)

Likely Town(hector13)

Null Read/Middle Read(flabort, Megggas)

Cult, I Say(fillipk, SaberToothTiger)

Insufficient Data(origamiscienceguy)

[hector13]

Oh aye, cult have won if this keeps up.

Cult have probably won anyway, what with the whole 14hrs 'til deadline and a whole lotta nuttin' in regards to D2 content.

[FallacyofUrist]

With that, I let a silent tear drip forth from one of my eyes-
Oh wow I'm getting slightly teary IRL as well.
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We need to get an extension up.
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If it comes down to it, we could always use our votes to create a tie and thus a no lynch...

[flabort]

If we don't get some more activity here...
gragh.

Okay, here's a reads list:

Definitely Town(FallacyofUrist)

Likely Town(hector13)

Null Read/Middle Read(flabort, Megggas)

Cult, I Say(fillipk, SaberToothTiger)

Insufficient Data(origamiscienceguy)

I could do with some reasons why you read these people these ways?
Simply saying you feel X is Y is not enough. You need to prove it.

[hector13]

With that, I let a silent tear drip forth from one of my eyes-
Oh wow I'm getting slightly teary IRL as well.
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We need to get an extension up.
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If it comes down to it, we could always use our votes to create a tie and thus a no lynch...

Could just vote for a no lynch, it would be safer

[flabort]

With that, I let a silent tear drip forth from one of my eyes-
Oh wow I'm getting slightly teary IRL as well.
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We need to get an extension up.
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If it comes down to it, we could always use our votes to create a tie and thus a no lynch...

Could just vote for a no lynch, it would be safer

That's an idea.

Hey, how many of you think a no lynch is safe? Another night for cult to convert a town, for the unknown killer to hit god knows who, and we don't know of any beneficial town PRs who'd get more advantage than the cult gets. Are you willing to bet that the killer is a vig, and that we have enough PRs to make a no lynch safe?

Sorry, a no lynch could work, but unless there's some more support for the idea, I disagree.

[hector13]

Okay then. Based on D2 content, who are you voting for?

[flabort]

Okay then. Based on D2 content, who are you voting for?

I'm leaving my vote where I put it when the day began, because my demands/requests have still gone unsatisfied.

[hector13]

Okay then. Based on D2 content, who are you voting for?

I'm leaving my vote where I put it when the day began, because my demands/requests have still gone unsatisfied.

Exactly. Nothing has happened, so we don't know who would be best to vote for. As far as I see it, we've lost the game either way. Even if we haven't, D2 has been most useless for content.

However, why haven't you pressured others if your initial pressure vote was unsuccessful?

[SaberToothTiger]

Deus, just a reminder, I am still voting filipk, just so you know.

[flabort]

Okay then. Based on D2 content, who are you voting for?

I'm leaving my vote where I put it when the day began, because my demands/requests have still gone unsatisfied.

Exactly. Nothing has happened, so we don't know who would be best to vote for. As far as I see it, we've lost the game either way. Even if we haven't, D2 has been most useless for content.

However, why haven't you pressured others if your initial pressure vote was unsuccessful?

Someone hasn't been paying attention.  I pressured at least two other suspects; but my original vote is still my primary suspect.

[FallacyofUrist]

If we don't get some more activity here...
gragh.

Okay, here's a reads list:

Definitely Town(FallacyofUrist)

Likely Town(hector13)

Null Read/Middle Read(flabort, Megggas)

Cult, I Say(fillipk, SaberToothTiger)

Insufficient Data(origamiscienceguy)

I could do with some reasons why you read these people these ways?
Simply saying you feel X is Y is not enough. You need to prove it.

Certainly. Well, prove why I believe it, anyway.

... do I need to explain why I know I'm definitely town?

hector13 is doing a nice bit of scum hunting, and, dare I say, doing it better than me(from what I'm seeing, he's broadening his scope beyond two players). Plus he's got some nice common sense-

I have great distaste for this role-claiming nonsense. You have a fairly significant target on your back now, and there are, of course, two ways the night phase can go down regarding you:

1. You are converted. Thus when you reveal your "result", it won't help town due to your new win-con, whether you get a hit or not.

2. You are not converted. Wonderful WIFOM, because you have revealed you have an investigation-role, we know you're a prime target for conversion, so we can't trust your result because we have no idea if you were converted or not until your flip.

I don't like either option. You're not helping town either way, man.

PPE: Unacceptable answer fillipk. If you can't find evidence you have to look for it. I refuse to believe you have a gut-feeling that arose from nowhere. It's there because of something FoU has done during the game; you have to find it, or move on. I won't lynch anyone based on you feeling gassy.

you and Megggas... well, to be honest, I haven't been paying as much attention to both of you, but from what I'm seeing, there's some passiveness and some attacking going on... perhaps I could switch my focus for a bit to get more accurate.

As to why I think fillipk and SaberToothTiger are cult- I made two gigantic posts on that subject.

origamiscienceguy joined the game only today and- STAR WARS- and as such I don't really have much on him.
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