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Basically, if the scum aren't bright enough to come up with the same ideas on their own, they can attempt to use the strategies that we are attempting to come up with counter-strategies for.
So back to the question: Agree or Disagree?
Mmm... I'm going to say I lean toward disagree, will tell y'all why after you've answered Megas' question.
OK, I've answered.
Basically when we're theorising about scum strats, we're not actually scum-hunting.
We might not be the bright ones, and miss the strategy the scum are actually using, and an issue with laying out strategies is we may fall into the trap of "these are the only strategies that the scum might use, so we should pick the most likely one they're using and act as such"
Scum might drop in a few false strategies that we might then waste our time coming up with counters for when they're not ever going to be considered by the scum.
Finally, it allows the scum to cherry-pick the best bits out of any strategies that we come up with, maybe doing something we
can't counter.
fillipkI didn't mean to assume, and actually I never assumed that he balanced the game like that, the only thing I assumed is that we are all power roles. You seem fairly certain that I am incorrect with that theory...
I have actually been quite careful to not overtly say whether or not I think you're correct or incorrect regarding your conclusions. What I have been doing is questioning the logic that brought you to those conclusions in the first place, which is what I'd be doing irrespective of my thoughts regarding your conclusions' veracity.
And I'm going to continue saying you did assume, so there's no real point to continuing this particular aspect of our discussion...
I like the quote, yet I can come up with powers for all 3 of them
Batman: He would be a JOAT, a one shot kill, one shot night immunity, one shot invest, one shot protect. This is because batman is notoriously hyper prepared for any situation.
Robin: He would be a vigilante as he isn't as prepared as batman, but he would have more uses of his abilities
Aqua Man: Haven't read many of his comics but I would say he would be pretty useless on a space station unless there was water and sea life so maybe a watcher? Look through the eyes of the animals he controls
... Though maybe that you're continuing trying to support your assumptions is something I'd like to point out and ask: why? Are you too proud to admit you might be wrong?
To quote you from before "When everyone is special, then no-one will be." If everyone has a power role it doesn't matter who the clone lord targets with his conversion. Personally I would rather know if everyone was a power role from he getgo rather then worrying if we lost one of the important people with every conversion
This bit doesn't make sense, to me anyway. Even if everyone has a power role, given your role is the only information you have about anything in the game, you can't be sure everyone has a
useful power role, essentially making them a Vanilla Townie.
I find it hard to believe that based on the only evidence you can stand by to be useful (your own role) that you can conclude - and be comfortable in that conclusion! - that everyone else is a power role. It boggles my mind.
To be honest no I didn't think about that, at least consciously. Also I present choice C) I am a power role preforming a gambit, you kinda forgot that one.
In presenting choice C, you've made choice C an unlikely alternative. If you were a gambiting power role, why would you point it out?
I hadn't forgotten about it, it was something I thought was possible, and if it was, it would more 'n likely be a pro-town thing to be happening, so I didn't mention it. It was also one of the things that made me doubt that you might be scum so... you kinda dropped yourself in it there.
Your right, maybe the third vote was a bit much, but honestly that was the most suspicious thing I had seen so far and I did say I was going to vote in my previous post. Unvote.
Mmm... not sure about this bit. I'm trying to avoid confirmation-bias but you're not making it easy
The fact you're removing your vote after I mentioned that it was unnecessary kinda makes it look like you're trying not to draw much attention to yourself...
Chromatic WaspOn how he balanced the game? Clone lord's minions can become the clone lord, or they all have his powers, if we get one then he can still act through his cult, and he starts with one, its how I would have done it. As for third parties, I would say there would probably be a survivor, reporter type person, can't think of much else.
I can't be the only one who thinks that this was an excessively detailed explanation of a "hypothetical" scum mechanic that we just got from filipk, can I? I mean, that just all seems really, really specific. Not only specific, but a lot of the information seems a little vague, as if he's communicating knowledge he feels we should know just as well as he does. Almost as if he's not quite grasping that he might be a little more familiar with scum roles than us, not to mention how that might not be a good thing to let us know.
But that's just my opinion.
I've made red and green bits in your quote, because they seem to be mutually exclusive to me. How can something be
detailed and
specific, but also
vague at the same time?
It just strikes me as a little weird that you're going for something and explaining it in a way that doesn't make sense as a reason for voting filipk - which is different from everyone else - as though you're trying to look like you're not jumping on a band wagon...
Perhaps it's just the way you presented things. Could you clarify, please?
Also,
Deus Asmoth, maybe a prod for tntey? He hasn't posted since Saturday. I know it's the weekend, but still... ages. Anyway, it has nearly been 36 hours since midnight Sunday night/Monday morning, so it's close enough heh.