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[Graven]

Sweet! I tried a NaCK, but I got Xom'd too hard in Lair.

I have to ask, though - why the Hat of Pondering? Especially with the Lightning Scales?

[Drakale]

I kept it for the MP boost, but I don't know if it was wise. I figured since I move slow anyway, won't hurt to keep it on. I used blink and summons to keep protected, and also i had more than 50 AC most of the time so I could take the occasional hit.

[Graven]

Some people leave the channels for their own games, not sure why.

Other than that, there shouldn't be - I've spent all day watching 4th Arra on Xtahua and chatting, and it's ok.

edit : Oh hey look, a fucking PDA in Elf. If only I wasn't a Statueform Octopode.

Also, some people seem to think you actually need MR for Elf. Two trips to the Abyss later, I'm glad I can say they are absolutely right. Thank god Chei-Statueform is absurd.

Also also, when most people think of Octopodes, I bet they're all "Oh wow, now I can wear all those cool randart rings my characters keep getting at once!"

I can absolutely bet they are NOT all "Oh man, now I can wear all these +2 rings of protection and evasion at once!"

[AlStar]

Never fails - play an Octopode, get no rings ever, find legendary armor everywhere. 

[Graven]

No seriously, this is absurd. Here:

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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.17.0-23-g0de4337 (webtiles) character file.

Gravenous the Black Belt (OpIE)                    Turns: 66645, Time: 03:36:59

Health: 177/177    AC:  1    Str: 29    XL:     26   Next: 42%
Magic:  40/40      EV: 33    Int: 47    God:    Cheibriados [******]
Gold:   4940       SH:  0    Dex: 27    Spells: 15 memorised, 2 levels left

rFire  . . .     SeeInvis +       - Unarmed
rCold  + + .     Clarity  .     (no shield)
rNeg   + . .     SustAt   .     (helmet restricted)
rPois  +         Gourm    +     q - amulet of the gourmand
rElec  .         Spirit   .     u - ring of stealth
rCorr  .         Warding  .     G - ring of positive energy
rMut   .         Stasis   .     s - ring "Kuntekio" {Wiz rPois}
MR     +....                    y - +4 ring of evasion
Stlth  ++++++....               Q - ring of protection from cold
                                x - ring of protection from cold
                                O - ring of Xom's Outrage {Str+3 Int+6}
                                Y - ring of see invisible
This is what I need to work with. I have 0 Fire or Magic resistance. What am I going to do in Zot, hope Orbs of Fire die laughing at my stupid ass shambling towards them?

edit : no it's not I starved to death attempting to move away from a Death Cob while Stoneformed. Fuuuuck this

[Graven]

To be fair that death was utter bullshit, because I was practically invulnerable. I had gotten 2 pips of each resist, ~40 armour and 25 EV when statueformed, 220 HP, torment resistance due to statue form. Nothing else could've killed me. And then I starve to death in a single turn of mine.

Meh.

[Arcvasti]

Also, I've said it before and I'll say it again - nets are OP as hell. Seriously, anyone having trouble winning your first game, the best advice I can give you is to horde any nets you see. Even without throwing skill, they can get you out of a shedload of trouble.

^This. Wands, especially ones which disable, work just as well most of the time.

See, those Death Cobs! They're crazy now.

Yep. Dispel Undead works wonders against them though.

[ZeroGravitas]

I have had a lot of promising Dithmenos characters yet I have only won one. It's not a god that gives you a big safety net.

[Arcvasti]

I have had a lot of promising Dithmenos characters yet I have only won one. It's not a god that gives you a big safety net.

My experience with Dithmenos is that he works AMAZINGLY with stealth people and people who use hexes. The thing is, that's almost all he does. For those that stealth/hexes don't work on, Dith doesn't have that much going for him. Its really fun instakilling things and uniques via stabbing, but when that DOESN'T work, things get hairy. I guess using crossows would probably help compensate for that, though.


EDIT:

After littering the first few floors of the dungeon with failed casters, I finally seem to have gotten a decentish one going. I've got half-decent equipment for once, although I still only have my starting spellbook for magic. That's basically the opposite of my last mage character, heh.

[Graven]

I've just finished clearing Depths:2, after going and clearing V:4

Try and see if you can spot what's wrong:

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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.17.0-24-gcfadda4 (webtiles) character file.

Gravenous the Slayer (Naga Abyssal Knight)         Turns: 71437, Time: 02:52:49

Health: 242/242    AC: 49    Str: 27    XL:     23   Next: 52%
Magic:  27/27      EV:  4    Int: 14    God:    Lugonu [******]
Gold:   2513       SH:  8    Dex: 11    Spells: 1 memorised, 21 levels left

rFire  + + .     SeeInvis +     a - +1 whip (elec)
rCold  + + .     Clarity  .     R - +5 plate armour of Kixzaeph {+Blink rF+ rC+}
rNeg   + + +     SustAt   .     l - +3 buckler of Awe {Regen+ Stlth+}
rPois  +         Gourm    +     o - +2 hat of the Bear Spirit {Spirit, +Rage rN+ MR++}
rElec  .         Spirit   +     u - +1 cloak of Tenacity {rPois}
rCorr  .         Warding  .     P - +2 pair of gloves
rMut   .         Stasis   .     W - +2 naga barding {rC+}
MR     ++++.                    r - amulet of the gourmand
Stlth  ..........               D - ring of Eternal Night {rF+ rN++ MP-9 Str+6}
                                Q - +6 ring of protection

@: flying, very slow, incredibly resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely
unstealthy
A: see invisible, clumsy 1, deformed body, poison resistance, slowness 2, slow
metabolism 1, spit poison 2, constrict 1, AC +7
a: Spit Poison, Depart the Abyss, Bend Space, Banish, Corrupt, Enter the Abyss,
Brand Weapon With Distortion, Renounce Religion, Evoke Blink, Evoke Berserk Rage
}: 1/15 runes: serpentine

[ZeroGravitas]

I have had a lot of promising Dithmenos characters yet I have only won one. It's not a god that gives you a big safety net.

My experience with Dithmenos is that he works AMAZINGLY with stealth people and people who use hexes. The thing is, that's almost all he does. For those that stealth/hexes don't work on, Dith doesn't have that much going for him. Its really fun instakilling things and uniques via stabbing, but when that DOESN'T work, things get hairy.

Yes, exactly. The Dithmenos character I won, ironically, was not a real stabber, but a Ds with the -LOS mutation. I actually got him through an entire zig. Mummy floors were a breeze because of the shadow mimicing of control and dispel undead. Hexes work great for double chances on Discord and E. Hibernation.

[Drakale]

a - +1 whip (elec)

You seriously can't improve on that? That's some rotten luck haha, the rest of your stuff is pretty good tho.

[BaronMunchausen]

You might consider clearing Crypt, Hell Knights sometimes spawn on the third level and they sometimes have demon whips. If you're feeling really brave, the vestibule of Hell is almost guaranteed to have balrugs with demon whips. Brand one of those with distortion and you've got it made. But making it to V:4 with a +1 whip really demonstrates the power of the elec brand.

So I've been rolling VpEn stabbers (which are super fun imo) of Gozag. My last one stupidly died to orcs, but during his short life he found like eight books. He was swimming in high level hexes he couldn't cast. My current one is doing better; maybe he'll survive long enough to actually afford some of Gozag's abilities.

Edit: and he's dead! after buying the Fencer's gloves! Killed by a player ghost...

[Graven]

Nicely done, Covenant!

30 AC/40 EV seems pretty nice.

I 5-runed that Naga, found a Demon Whip on Depths:3, surprisingly my average killign speed barely changed at all.

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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.17.0-24-gcfadda4 (webtiles) character file.

2650823 Gravenous the Conqueror (level 27, 260/298 HPs)
             Began as a Naga Abyssal Knight on Nov 15, 2015.
             Was the Champion of Lugonu.
             Escaped with the Orb
             ... and 5 runes!
             
             The game lasted 04:18:40 (92211 turns).

Gravenous the Conqueror (Naga Abyssal Knight)      Turns: 92211, Time: 04:18:41

Health: 260/298    AC: 40    Str: 29    XL:     27
Magic:  29/31      EV:  5    Int: 13    God:    Lugonu [******]
Gold:   4029       SH:  8    Dex: 13    Spells: 1 memorised, 25 levels left

rFire  + + .     SeeInvis +     a - +5 demon whip (freeze)
rCold  + + .     Clarity  .     R - +5 plate armour of Kixzaeph {+Blink rF+ rC+}
rNeg   + + +     SustAt   .     l - +3 buckler of Awe {Regen+ Stlth+}
rPois  +         Gourm    .     o - +2 hat of the Bear Spirit {Spirit, +Rage rN+ MR++}
rElec  .         Spirit   +     u - +1 cloak of Tenacity {rPois}
rCorr  .         Warding  .     P - +2 pair of gloves
rMut   +         Rnd*Tele +     W - +4 naga barding {rC+}
MR     +++++                    p - amulet of resist mutation
Stlth  ..........               D - ring of Eternal Night {rF+ rN++ MP-9 Str+6}
                                j - ring of teleportation

@: corroded equipment, very slow, almost entirely resistant to hostile
enchantments, extremely unstealthy
A: see invisible, deformed body, dopey 1, poison resistance, slowness 2, slow
metabolism 1, spit poison 2, constrict 1, AC +9
a: Spit Poison, Depart the Abyss, Bend Space, Banish, Corrupt, Enter the Abyss,
Brand Weapon With Distortion, Renounce Religion, Evoke Blink, Evoke Berserk
Rage, Evoke Teleportation
0: Orb of Zot
}: 5/15 runes: serpentine, barnacled, slimy, silver, abyssal


You escaped.
You worshipped Lugonu.
Lugonu was exalted by your worship.
You were not hungry.

You visited 10 branches of the dungeon, and saw 59 of its levels.
You visited the Abyss 5 times.
You visited 1 bazaar.

You collected 7181 gold pieces.
You spent 3152 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 a - a +5 demon whip of freezing (weapon)
Armour
 l - the +3 buckler of Awe (worn) {Regen+ Stlth+}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 2 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   It increases your rate of regeneration.
   It makes you more stealthy.
 o - the +2 hat of the Bear Spirit (worn) {Spirit, +Rage rN+ MR++}
   (You acquired it on level 15 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It protects you from negative energy.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It lets you go berserk.
 u - the +1 cloak of Tenacity (worn) {rPois}
   (You bought it in a shop in a bazaar)   
   
   It protects you from poison.
 P - a +2 pair of gloves (worn)
 R - the +5 plate armour of Kixzaeph (worn) {+Blink rF+ rC+}
   (You bought it in a shop in a bazaar)   
   
   It protects you from fire.
   It protects you from cold.
   It lets you blink.
 W - a +4 naga barding of cold resistance (worn)
Rods
 s - a +0 rod of clouds (13/13)
   (You found it on level 4 of the Lair of Beasts)
 Y - a +4 rod of shadows (13/13)
   (You took it off an ironheart preserver on level 5 of the Vaults)
Jewellery
 i - the ring of Rivua {*Corrode rN+++ Str+4 Slay+3 Stlth-}
   (You found it on level 6 of the Pits of Slime)   
   
   [ring of loudness]
   
   It affects your strength (+4).
   It affects your accuracy and damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks
   (+3).
   It renders you almost immune to negative energy.
   It may corrode your equipment when you take damage.
   It makes you less stealthy.
 j - a ring of teleportation (left hand)
 p - an amulet of resist mutation (around neck)
 z - the amulet of Tusudoss {rCorr Str+5 Int+4 Stlth+}
   (You took it off a greater naga on level 4 of the Snake Pit)   
   
   [amulet of resist corrosion]
   
   It protects you from acid and corrosion.
   It affects your strength (+5).
   It affects your intelligence (+4).
   It makes you more stealthy.
 D - the ring of Eternal Night (right hand) {rF+ rN++ MP-9 Str+6}
   (You took it off a deep elf sorcerer on level 3 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   [ring of protection from fire]
   
   It affects your strength (+6).
   It protects you from fire.
   It greatly protects you from negative energy.
   It affects your magic capacity (-9).
 E - the ring "Deaffoj" {rF+ rC+ Int+2}
   (You took it off a vampire on level 2 of the Depths)   
   
   [ring of protection from cold]
   
   It affects your intelligence (+2).
   It protects you from fire.
   It protects you from cold.
 F - the ring of Serosoo {rElec Str+3}
   (You found it on level 3 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   [ring of strength]
   
   It affects your strength (+3).
   It insulates you from electricity.
 Q - a +6 ring of protection
Wands
 n - a wand of teleportation (2)
 C - a wand of teleportation (6)
 M - a wand of digging (11)
 V - a wand of teleportation (3)
Scrolls
 b - 11 scrolls of recharging
 g - 3 scrolls of fog
 v - 16 scrolls of remove curse
 y - 3 scrolls of magic mapping
 A - 4 scrolls of vulnerability
 H - 3 scrolls of enchant armour
 K - 3 scrolls of identify
 O - a scroll of silence
 S - 2 scrolls of fear
 Z - a scroll of blinking
Potions
 d - 3 potions of invisibility
 e - 7 potions of curing
 f - 7 potions of cancellation
 w - 4 potions of cure mutation
 x - 6 potions of berserk rage
 I - a potion of magic
 L - 2 potions of resistance
Miscellaneous
 r - 2 phantom mirrors
 t - a lamp of fire
 T - a sack of spiders {used: 1}
 U - a phial of floods
Comestibles
 c - 14 bread rations
 h - 46 fruits
 k - 13 beef jerkies
 B - 18 meat rations
 G - 3 royal jellies
 N - 13 slices of pizza


   Skills:
 O Level 27 Fighting
 - Level 14.8 Maces & Flails
 + Level 19.4 Armour
 - Level 0.7 Dodging
 - Level 5.1 Stealth
 - Level 5.0 Shields
 - Level 13.0 Invocations
 + Level 26.4 Evocations


You had 25 spell levels left.
You knew the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Apportation           Tloc           #.........   96%         1    ##.....


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (0/1) D:6            Lair (8/8) D:10
 Shoals (4/4) Lair:3        Snake (4/4) Lair:5        Slime (6/6) Lair:6
    Orc (4/4) D:11            Elf (3/3) Orc:3        Vaults (5/5) D:13
  Crypt (0/3) Vaults:3     Depths (5/5) D:15            Zot (5/5) Depths:5

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Okawaru
Qazlal
Xom
Yredelemnul
The Shining One
Beogh
Jiyva

Shops:
D:9 }   D:13 (   Orc:4 ([*=   Elf:2 [[:*   Elf:3 :   Vaults:2 (

Portals:
Hell: Lair:8 Depths:1 Depths:2 Depths:3 Depths:4 Depths:5
Abyss: Depths:4 Depths:5
Pandemonium: Depths:2 Depths:3
Ziggurat: Depths:5

Annotations:
D:8 4 runed doors
Snake:2 exclusion: 4 oklob plants
Vaults:1 AAAAA's ghost, adept HaWr; xeno23's ghost, adept TeAE
Depths:4 corrupted


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You cannot wear boots.
Your serpentine skin is tough (AC +9).
You have supernaturally acute eyesight.
Armour fits poorly on your strangely shaped body.
Your system is resistant to poisons.
You cover ground very slowly.
You have a slow metabolism.
You can spit poison.
You can use your snake-like lower body to constrict enemies.
You are dopey. (Int -2)

As melee naga most of your damage comes from Constriction, anyway, but man - whacking orbs of fire for like 50 turns without doing damage feels rather discouraging.

[BaronMunchausen]

As melee naga most of your damage comes from Constriction, anyway, but man - whacking orbs of fire for like 50 turns without doing damage feels rather discouraging.

Any reason you went with freezing brand, Graven? You still had the distortion gift, which really shines on a fast weapon like a d-whip (although, of course, I can see why you wouldn't want to blink monsters around without any strong ranged attacks, but I thought constriction prevented that? I dunno). I was surprised to learn that orbs of fire actually resist cold, but it's still handy in Zot for draconians. Good job on the win!

I'm amazed sometimes by how quickly, in real-time terms, you guys seem to finish your games. Four hours for a 5-rune win seems crazy to me. Admittedly, I waste quite a bit of time alt-tabbing, or watching TV as I play or whatever, but even so. Four hours. Do you not fully explore every floor or something?

Crawl speedruns are something else. IIRC the record for a three-rune game is a little over half an hour, and someone in this tournament just got a 15-runer in under 20k turns. How?

Ok, this VpEn is doing better than previous attempts. I found a vampiric dagger, which is always nice, and thanks to Gozag I could buy several expensive books in Orc:4. The last time I found Discord on a VpEn I was really impressed with it; and this time I've got Invis and summons to help against high MR foes. Hopefully I don't splat this guy 5 minutes later like the last one. Also, which of the high-level summoning spells do you guys recommend? Greater demon, Malign gateway, or Horrible things? I've got the book with all three, but unfortunately they've removed Aura of Abjuration, so I'm worried about hostile fiends, and the other two spells I've never used.