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[Arcvasti]

Just one question, why would you hope for a chaos quickblade? I thought Chaos was a not very good brand.

Its actually pretty good, although accidentally hasting or beserking your enemies is embarassing. Its definitely the most versatile brand because of its wide range of damage types. Crazy Yiuf's staff often carries me all the way to Lair. A Quickblade of Chaos would be even better, although it could also potentially go horribly wrong.

[AlStar]

When did zombies (your zombies, of course - apparently the Dungeon's zombie population has managed to survive forever) start crumbling to dust? It's kind of harshing the mellow of my necromancer - those meatshields are supposed to become an invincible ablative shield on whatever level I'm on!

[BaronMunchausen]

Yeah, necromancers have been nerfed in .17. But it also means high level undead-making spells (simulacrum, death channel) are more unambiguous upgrades to animate dead, instead of merely situational.
Also, the crawl site has a cool new feature: http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/bots
Lots of information there, even for relatively seasoned players. Did you know that Mnoleg doesn't actually have a mutation spell, but some of his melee attacks have a mutation brand? Neither did I! It has a lot that isn't listed in-game, like how the extra damage from brands is calculated, or what a monster's HP is, etc. Pretty handy, especially for newish players.

[vogonpoet]

Just one question, why would you hope for a chaos quickblade? I thought Chaos was a not very good brand.

Chaos is normally a pretty terrible brand. Early on in particular, its pretty likely IMO to just get you killed. To want Chaos, I want to be certain I am going shortblades all the way, and I want to already have a quickblade. Examples:

1. Vine Stalkers.

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Confused          |       |       |       |       |       |     1 |       |       |    13 ||    14
Paralysed         |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     4 |    48 ||    52
Petrifying        |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     1 |    43 ||    44
Petrified         |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     5 ||     5Vine Stalker antimagic bite and quickblades are already OP. Throw in Chaos, and all these stabs were basically free instakills. I am talking several paralysed orbs of fire baby. Just be prepared to hit tab a *LOT*.

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Quick blade       |       |       |       |   626 |  1146 |  3219 |  2052 |  3291 |  4397 || 14731

2. Build like this, the SpEn we are talking about.
With a SpEn, for most kills, a +4 vanilla dagger is more than adequate. Any brand is basically unneeded luxury. Anything remotely threatening and hard to hex, I am chilling out behind my Malign Gateway, playing with my tentacle, maybe chatting to a few Shadow Creature meat shields. When I want an awesome brand it is to take care of non-threatening stuff quickly: River rats in lair; massive ogre packs I just disarmed with Tukima's Dance, because its funny; Draconian packs in Zot when I am invisible. All of these *could* be taken out with a +4 dagger. Its more fun to tab the hell out of them with a Chaos dagger though, banishing the lucky, paralyse/petrify stabbing the less lucky.

Its actually pretty good, although accidentally hasting or beserking your enemies is embarassing. Its definitely the most versatile brand because of its wide range of damage types. Crazy Yiuf's staff often carries me all the way to Lair. A Quickblade of Chaos would be even better, although it could also potentially go horribly wrong.

The potential to go horribly wrong is why I don't use Yiuf's staff on my Lajataurs. But my dude here is a Spriggan (sInv) with controlled blink. What does one do when faced with a suddenly berserk Orb Guardian? Hit it again. Its now berserk and paralysed, ha ha, bye. What does one do when faced with two suddenly berserk Orb Guardians? (Curse the moth and) blink away to safety, possibly taking the time to whip your tentacle out in the meantime.


So yeah, in summary, Chaos might have saved me maybe hundreds of turns relative to freeze, but more importantly, it would have been more fun .

[Drakale]

Should I take summon demon or summon hydra for my naga ice conjurer? I'm mostly looking for meatshields that wont melt instantly in my clouds. Ice beasts are not cutting it anymore, and I already have the spellforged servitor as a great damage dealer.

[Drakale]

Went with Hydra. I want dragon call bad but I'm lacking a bit of summon skill for a reliable cast chance.

Edit: So hydra do not last long at all, but cast haste on it and it can dish out some insane damage.

also,
"You need some minor improvements, mortal!"
 Your body is suffused with distortional energy.
 Your connection to magic feels subdued. You feel the urge to shout.
Your thick fur recedes somewhat. You feel less energetic.

Xom you bastard

[Graven]

Man, this is harder than expected. I have Tornado castable, haste, Wucad Mu, 3 runes and I could safely win, but it'd be the grandest cop-out.

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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.17.0-23-g0de4337 (webtiles) character file.

Gravenous the Cloud Mage (Naga Conjurer)           Turns: 82401, Time: 05:02:06

Health: 232/232    AC: 28    Str: 13      XL:     27
Magic:  51/51      EV: 12    Int: 29      God:    Kikubaaqudgha [******]
Gold:   3579       SH:  5    Dex: 13 (14) Spells: 11 memorised, 6 levels left

rFire  + + .     SeeInvis +     d - staff of energy
rCold  + + +     Clarity  .     D - +2 robe {Archmagi}
rNeg   + + +     SustAt   .     a - +1 buckler of the Bulwark {Str+2}
rPois  +         Gourm    .     B - +1 hat "Hiamini" {rF+ rC+++ Regen+ Str-3}
rElec  +         Spirit   .     f - +0 cloak {MR+}
rCorr  .         Warding  .     Y - +1 pair of gloves of the Poles {*Contam rN++ Str+4 Slay+5}
rMut   +         Stasis   .     j - +6 lightning scales {run, rElec}
MR     +++++                    v - amulet of Gluttony {rMut *Confuse rC+ rN+ MR+}
Stlth  ++++......               R - ring "Goabeh" {rElec rPois rF+ rC+ Dex+2}
                                w - ring of magical power

@: studying Spellcasting, repel missiles, slow, almost entirely resistant to
hostile enchantments, stealthy
A: see invisible, clever 1, clumsy 1, deformed body, magic resistance 1, poison
resistance, slowness 2, slow metabolism 1, spit poison 2, constrict 1, AC +9
a: Spit Poison, Receive Corpses, Torment, Renounce Religion
}: 3/15 runes: barnacled, silver, gossamer


You are on level 8 of the Dungeon.
You worship Kikubaaqudgha.
Kikubaaqudgha is exalted by your worship.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 9 branches of the dungeon, and seen 49 of its levels.
You have also visited: Ice Cave and Wizlab.

You have collected 7728 gold pieces.
You have spent 4149 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 g - the +6 falchion "Wawabiuf" {flame, rC+ MP+9 Str-3 Int+3}
   (You found it on level 4 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It has been specially enchanted to burn those struck by it, causing extra
   injury to most foes and up to half again as much damage against particularly
   susceptible opponents. Big, fiery blades are also staple armaments of
   hydra-hunters.
   
   It affects your strength (-3).
   It affects your intelligence (+3).
   It protects you from cold.
   It affects your magic capacity (+9).
 q - the +9 Staff of Wucad Mu {channel}
   (You found it in a wizard's laboratory)
 W - the +6 shillelagh "Devastator" {shatter}
   (You found it on level 8 of the Lair of Beasts)
Armour
 a - the +1 buckler of the Bulwark (worn) {Str+2}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 10 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It affects your strength (+2).
 f - a +0 cloak of magic resistance (worn)
 j - the +6 lightning scales (worn) {run, rElec}
   (You acquired it on level 13 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It insulates you from electricity.
 B - the +1 hat "Hiamini" (worn) {rF+ rC+++ Regen+ Str-3}
   (You found it in an ice cave)   
   
   It affects your strength (-3).
   It protects you from fire.
   It renders you almost immune to cold.
   It increases your rate of regeneration.
 D - a +2 robe of the Archmagi (worn)
 G - the +3 faerie dragon armour {+Inv rF- rC+ rCorr Clar}
   (You took it off the Enchantress on level 1 of the Depths)   
   
   It makes you vulnerable to fire.
   It protects you from cold.
   It lets you turn invisible.
   It protects you against confusion.
   It protects you from acid and corrosion.
 Y - the +1 pair of gloves of the Poles (worn) {*Contam rN++ Str+4 Slay+5}
   (You found it in an ice cave)   
   
   It affects your strength (+4).
   It affects your accuracy and damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks
   (+5).
   It greatly protects you from negative energy.
   It causes magical contamination when unequipped.
Magical Staves
 d - an uncursed staff of energy (weapon)
 A - an uncursed staff of wizardry
Jewellery
 v - the amulet of Gluttony (around neck) {rMut *Confuse rC+ rN+ MR+}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 4 of the Orcish Mines)   
   
   [amulet of resist mutation]
   
   It protects you from mutation.
   It protects you from cold.
   It protects you from negative energy.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It may confuse you when you take damage.
 w - a ring of magical power (left hand)
 x - a +4 ring of slaying
 R - the ring "Goabeh" (right hand) {rElec rPois rF+ rC+ Dex+2}
   (You took it off a deep elf summoner on level 3 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   [ring of dexterity]
   
   It affects your dexterity (+2).
   It protects you from fire.
   It protects you from cold.
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It protects you from poison.
Wands
 i - a wand of digging (17)
 m - a wand of teleportation (8)
 s - a wand of teleportation (5)
 N - a wand of teleportation (3)
 P - a wand of teleportation (6)
 T - a wand of teleportation (4)
Scrolls
 b - 6 scrolls of recharging
 e - 21 scrolls of remove curse
 k - 4 scrolls of fog
 n - a scroll of brand weapon
 t - 3 scrolls of magic mapping
 C - 5 scrolls of fear
 F - 3 scrolls of identify
 I - 7 scrolls of enchant armour
 K - 6 scrolls of amnesia
 L - 2 scrolls of teleportation
 O - a scroll of acquirement
 V - 9 scrolls of enchant weapon
Potions
 h - 3 potions of cancellation
 z - 11 potions of curing
 M - 2 potions of cure mutation
 U - 3 potions of flight
Books
 r - a book of the Sky   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Summon Lightning Spire       Summoning/Air                 4
    b - Airstrike                    Air                           4
    c - Silence                      Hexes/Air                     5
    d - Deflect Missiles             Charms/Air                    6
    e - Conjure Ball Lightning       Conjuration/Air               6
    f - Tornado                      Air                           9
 E - a book of Annihilations   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Poison Arrow                 Conjuration/Poison            6
    b - Chain Lightning              Conjuration/Air               8
    c - Lehudib's Crystal Spear      Conjuration/Earth             8
    d - Glaciate                     Conjuration/Ice               9
    e - Fire Storm                   Conjuration/Fire              9
 H - a manual of Spellcasting
 J - a Necronomicon   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Haunt                        Necromancy/Summoning          7
    b - Borgnjor's Revivification    Necromancy                    8
    c - Death's Door                 Charms/Necromancy             8
    d - Necromutation                Transmutation/Necromancy      8
Miscellaneous
 c - a phial of floods
 Q - a lamp of fire
 X - 2 phantom mirrors
 Z - a fan of gales
Comestibles
 l - 48 fruits
 o - 5 slices of pizza
 p - 12 royal jellies
 u - 27 meat rations
 y - 6 bread rations
 S - 7 beef jerkies


   Skills:
 + Level 11.4 Fighting
 * Level 6.0 Armour
 - Level 8.3 Dodging
 - Level 6.6 Stealth
 - Level 2.0 Shields
 - Level 15.6 Spellcasting
 - Level 18.7 Conjurations
 - Level 13.5 Charms
 - Level 7.0 Necromancy
 - Level 8.9 Ice Magic
 - Level 25.2 Air Magic
 - Level 15.4 Evocations


You have 6 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Magic Dart            Conj           ####         0%          1    None
b - Repel Missiles        Chrm/Air       ######       0%          2    None
c - Haste                 Chrm           ########     1%          6    None
d - Iskenderun's Mystic   Conj           ########     0%          4    None
e - Iskenderun's Battles  Conj/Chrm      ########     1%          5    None
f - Regeneration          Chrm/Necr      #######...   1%          3    None
g - Bolt of Draining      Conj/Necr      #######...   1%          5    None
h - Freezing Cloud        Conj/Ice/Air   ########..   1%          6    None
i - Blink                 Tloc           N/A          4%          2    None
j - Chain Lightning       Conj/Air       ########..   2%          8    None
k - Tornado               Air            ########..   12%         9    None


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (1/1) D:7            Lair (8/8) D:8
 Shoals (4/4) Lair:3       Spider (4/4) Lair:6        Slime (0/6) Lair:8
    Orc (4/4) D:10            Elf (3/3) Orc:4        Vaults (5/5) D:13
  Crypt (0/3) Vaults:3     Depths (5/5) D:15            Zot (0/5) Depths:5
On the other hand I'm not certain where to start extended. I may drop Kiku, but not sure whether to go for Ashenzari, or Vehumet.

Ash would be great in that he'd give me Clarity which would counteract my amulet's tendency to confuse me, and would be a great overall boost to my semi-hybrid playstyle.

Veh would boost my strongest side, and allow me to get Glaciate earlier, but tbh even Tornado is kind of an overkill right now (while at the same time being somewhat meh for the corridors and such of Zot).

I'm thinking of taking up melee combat, most likely a Demon trident or some such. I could, if I felt stupid enough, even go for something like Abandon Kiku -> TSO -> Bless weapon -> Ash/Vehu, but that'd probably take too long, and not actually be useful at all.

edit : Ah screw it, I'm gonna sleep on it. I wanted to win tonight, but I'm too tired and in a state of mild bewilderment, so no crawl for me. Basically I just need experience, so Pan seems like the easiest option.

[Arcvasti]

Congrats on the second win, Covenant! Now if only I could seem to have another character survive past Lair[My DrCj died from getting hit with two Venom Bolts in one turn from a Guardian Serpent with no rPois]...

EDIT:

According to the Bay12 clan page, winning with Qazlal is worth one more point then winning with Sif. Spooky.

[Graven]

Congrats, Covenant!

Yeah, extended being rather dull, especially with the added delay on webtiles, is a killer. Assuming I win my naga, I don't plan on doing extended in this tourney anymore - standard 5-rune wins for me thank you.

That's a mighty nice VM though

edit:
Go to Pan
Nearly die at the entrance of each of the first three levels
Get Lom's level as the fourth ever pan floor


I drowned. In pan. I'm done.

[Graven]

Oka is always amazing; I've won with Dith before and he was really strong for semi-stealth characters, but that was the version he got added, so he probably suffered a thousand tiny nerfs and changes since.

I'm sort of back on track:

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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.17.0-23-g0de4337 (webtiles) character file.

Gravenous the Martial Artist (OpIE)                Turns: 34966, Time: 01:24:21

Health: 103/103    AC:  3    Str: 25    XL:     16   Next: 8%
Magic:  24/24      EV: 20    Int: 37    God:    Cheibriados [******]
Gold:   1571       SH:  0    Dex: 27    Spells: 7 memorised, 3 levels left

rFire  . . .     SeeInvis .       - Unarmed
rCold  . . .     Clarity  .     (no shield)
rNeg   + . .     SustAt   +     (helmet restricted)
rPois  .         Gourm    +     q - amulet of the gourmand
rElec  .         Spirit   .     u - ring of stealth
rCorr  .         Warding  .     G - ring of positive energy
rMut   .         Stasis   .     I - ring of sustain attributes
MR     +....                    P - +2 ring of protection
Stlth  ++++++....               (no ring)
                                (no ring)
                                (no ring)
                                (no ring)

@: repel missiles, very slow, somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments, very
stealthy
A: almost no armour, amphibious, 8 rings, constrict 8, camouflage 1, gelatinous
body 1
a: Bend Time, Temporal Distortion, Slouch, Step From Time, Renounce Religion


You are on level 1 of the Orcish Mines.
You worship Cheibriados.
Cheibriados is exalted by your worship.
You are full.

You have visited 4 branches of the dungeon, and seen 28 of its levels.
You have also visited: Ossuary.

You have collected 1991 gold pieces.
You have spent 420 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 y - a +0 blowgun
Missiles
 z - 67 poisoned needles
Jewellery
 m - the amulet "Bocearhe" {rCorr +Blink}
   (You found it on level 5 of the Dungeon)   
   
   [amulet of resist corrosion]
   
   It protects you from acid and corrosion.
   It lets you blink.
 q - an amulet of the gourmand (around mantle)
 u - a ring of stealth (left tentacle)
 G - a ring of positive energy (right tentacle)
 I - a ring of sustain attributes (on tentacle)
 P - a +2 ring of protection (on tentacle)
Wands
 s - a wand of magic darts (27)
 B - a wand of slowing (33)
 O - a wand of fire
Scrolls
 f - 6 scrolls of teleportation
 h - 6 scrolls of identify
 p - 13 scrolls of remove curse
 t - 4 scrolls of amnesia
 v - 3 scrolls of recharging
 w - 4 scrolls of enchant armour
 A - 2 scrolls of fear
 C - 2 scrolls of magic mapping
 F - a scroll of blinking
 T - a scroll of summoning
Potions
 e - 3 potions of cancellation
 g - a potion of ambrosia
 l - 4 potions of flight
 n - 4 potions of magic
 o - 10 potions of curing
 r - 5 potions of cure mutation
 K - a potion of might
 M - 2 potions of agility
 N - 2 potions of resistance
Miscellaneous
 c - a phial of floods
Comestibles
 b - 15 bread rations
 d - 5 beef jerkies
 i - 8 fruits
 k - 10 meat rations
 D - 2 slices of pizza
 H - 15 royal jellies


   Skills:
 - Level 7.4 Fighting
 - Level 6.8 Dodging
 - Level 5.0 Stealth
 + Level 13.3 Unarmed Combat
 - Level 4.2 Spellcasting
 - Level 1.0 Conjurations
 - Level 3.0 Charms
 - Level 12.9 Transmutations
 - Level 7.3 Ice Magic
 - Level 12.7 Earth Magic
 + Level 11.9 Invocations


You have 3 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Freeze                Ice            ####         1%          1    None
b - Ozocubu's Armour      Chrm/Ice       #####...     1%          3    None
c - Condensation Shield   Ice            ######....   1%          4    ###....
d - Throw Frost           Conj/Ice       #####.       1%          2    None
e - Stoneskin             Trmt/Erth      #######.     1%          2    None
f - Statue Form           Trmt/Erth      #######..    3%          6    ######.
g - Repel Missiles        Chrm/Air       ###...       3%          2    None


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (1/1) D:5            Lair (8/8) D:10
  Swamp (0/4) Lair:6       Spider (0/4) Lair:5        Slime (0/6) Lair:6
    Orc (4/4) D:10            Elf (0/3) Orc:4        Vaults (0/5) D:13
Depths: D:15       

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Gozag
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One
Beogh

Shops:
D:6 [   Orc:1 :(   Orc:2 [   Orc:4 }*}?

Annotations:
D:7 4 runed doors
D:13 Nessos
Lair:6 exclusion: oklob plant


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You cannot wear most types of armour.
You are amphibious.
You can wear up to eight rings at the same time.
You can use your tentacles to constrict eight enemies at once.
Your skin changes colour to match your surroundings (Stealth).
Your rubbery body absorbs attacks (AC +1).


Problem is this is literally the furthest I've gotten with a Statue form caster, let alone a Chei Octopode one. I am the angry fist of god, but some spellcasters/smiters/ranged don't seem to have gotten the memo and regularly take me to half hp or lower while I'm shambling towards them.

Anyone with more experience, how does one build a Chei Statuepode? Any spells I should be aware of? I know Passage of Golubria is a decent replacement for cBlink, and that Regen is generally nice, but that's it.

[Graven]

I actually cleared the mines, briefly pausing to punch Saint Roka in his ugly face.

Main problem is, do I use a shield, or not?

edit : Nicely done BaronMunchausen!

[BaronMunchausen]

Thanks! You can always count on a trusty MiFi. I think this is my second spell-less 15-runer, although I did memorize the top three Necro spells just in case.

Noticed you've got a wand of slowing - can you cast that on yourself and then Slouch for extra damage?

Doesn't work, sorry. Only base movespeed counts.

Main problem is, do I use a shield, or not?

Ehh, if you haven't found any really cool shields I'd leave it alone. Anything larger than a buckler will take a lot of xp to offset the casting penalties, and any shield at all will (slightly) reduce your unarmed damage (no offhand punch). If you find a buckler of protection or resistance, or a cool randart with good intrinsics, I'd think about doing it; otherwise I'd leave it alone.

[Graven]

Yeah but checking your morgue, you did a butt-ton of Zig levels, and that's pretty damn impressive for a spell-less Fi, even if a Minotaur. Golly well done!

Also 4th Arra says ye to the shields, and considering he has like, the top 50 scores on Xtahua, I'll have to side with him

[Graven]

Well I tried so hard, and got so far, but in the end...

[Drakale]

Chalk up another one for the Blacksmiths. It was a hectic run with the orb, with Xom apparently actively trying to kill me and very nasty demons every step of the way. Decks are really good now, saved me twice from certain death.

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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.17.0-23-g0de4337 (webtiles) character file.

1801214 Drakale the Sorcerer (level 27, 219/219 HPs)
             Began as a Naga Chaos Knight on Nov 11, 2015.
             
             Escaped with the Orb
             ... and 4 runes on Nov 14, 2015!
             
             The game lasted 18:35:49 (112683 turns).

Drakale the Sorcerer (Naga Chaos Knight)          Turns: 112683, Time: 18:35:49

Health: 219/219    AC: 32    Str: 18    XL:     27
Magic:  68/68      EV: 15    Int: 25    God:    Xom [......]
Gold:   8552       SH:  0    Dex: 16    Spells: 12 memorised, 3 levels left

rFire  + + .     SeeInvis +     A - staff of energy
rCold  + + .     Rnd*Rage +     H - +2 robe {Archmagi}
rNeg   . . .     SustAt   .     (no shield)
rPois  +         Gourm    .     t - +3 hat of Pondering {ponderous, MR+ MP+10 Int+5}
rElec  +         Spirit   .     v - +2 cloak {MR+}
rCorr  .         Warding  .     z - +2 pair of gloves {Dex+3}
rMut   .         Stasis   .     j - +6 lightning scales {run, rElec}
MR     +++++                    m - amulet of Xiamemas {+Blink rC+ MR+ Regen+ Dex+2}
Stlth  +.........               w - ring of Siebaloj {rC+ MP+9 Slay+3}
                                U - ring "Meatt" {Wiz rF+}

@: contaminated, hasted (expiring), glowing, deflect missiles, quick, almost
entirely resistant to hostile enchantments, very unstealthy
A: see invisible, berserk 1, deformed body, dopey 1, fire resistance 1, poison
resistance, slowness 2, slow metabolism 1, spit poison 2, constrict 1, AC +9
a: Spit Poison, Renounce Religion, Evoke Blink
0: Orb of Zot
}: 4/15 runes: decaying, slimy, silver, gossamer


You escaped.
You worshipped Xom.
You were a very special plaything of Xom.
You were full.