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[TruePikachu]

Creatures indeed have a way to be part of multiple different civs, but they also have a primary civ. Specifically, figure.entity_links is a list of entries, of which each entry is an entity ID, and the strength of the link. However, the "primary civ" is seen in various places, like at figure.civ_id.

Ethics are stored as part of the civilization (global.world.entities.all[civ_id]), not on an individual basis. Each civ has at least two copies of the ethics (entity.resources.ethic and entity.entity_raw.ethic), but they are both identical to my local raws, so I don't know if it is possible for a civ to adjust it's ethics themselves.

I do not know if the ethics a figure uses are the ones from the primary civ, selected from one of the entity_links, or somehow computed across all of the entity_links. I would think they are from the primary civ exclusively.

It is likely that the primary civ is the entity_links entry with the greatest link_strength, but I haven't done a full analyses of my world's figures to confirm this.

[TheFlame52]

Where can I find 'figure'? What headers is it under? I'd like to see if I can fix my rocs' little loyalty problem.

[omega_dwarf]

Where can I find 'figure'? What headers is it under? I'd like to see if I can fix my rocs' little loyalty problem.

That doesn't sound like a "little" problem

[TruePikachu]

Where can I find 'figure'? What headers is it under? I'd like to see if I can fix my rocs' little loyalty problem.

I'm saying things from the game's internal structures, not from any specific file or part of Legends.

figure would be some entry in the vector<historical_figure*> df.global.world.history.figures. You can mess around in there with Lua in DFHack, but it is probably going to be hard to locate an individual without getting their historical figure ID somehow.

[TheFlame52]

I know that, and thanks for the help. I hope this works!

[TruePikachu]

Just did some scanning, it looks like civs can, in fact, change their own ethics. entity.entity_raw.ethic is information from the world's RAWs, while entity.resources.ethic is what the civ actually uses.

If you run the following script:

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-- Find oddities across civ ethics

ethic_fields = {"KILL_ENTITY_MEMBER","KILL_NEUTRAL","KILL_ENEMY","KILL_ANIMAL","KILL_PLANT","TORTURE_AS_EXAMPLE","TORTURE_FOR_INFORMATION","TORTURE_FOR_FUN","TORTURE_ANIMALS","TREASON","OATH_BREAKING","LYING","VANDALISM","TRESPASSING","THEFT","ASSAULT","SLAVERY","EAT_SAPIENT_OTHER","EAT_SAPIENT_KILL","MAKE_TROPHY_SAME_RACE","MAKE_TROPHY_SAPIENT","MAKE_TROPHY_ANIMAL"}
ethic_enum = {[0]="NOT_APPLICABLE",[1]="ACCEPTABLE",[2]="PERSONAL_MATTER",[3]="JUSTIFIED_IF_NO_REPERCUSSIONS",[4]="JUSTIFIED_IF_GOOD_REASON",[5]="JUSTIFIED_IF_EXTREME_REASON",[6]="JUSTIFIED_IF_SELF_DEFENSE",[7]="ONLY_IF_SANCTIONED",[8]="MISGUIDED",[9]="SHUN",[10]="APPALLING",[11]="PUNISH_REPRIMAND",[12]="PUNISH_SERIOUS",[13]="PUNISH_EXILE",[14]="PUNISH_CAPITAL",[15]="UNTHINKABLE",[16]="REQUIRED"}

function getEthicString (ethics)
local result = ""
for _,name in ipairs(ethic_fields) do
result = result .. string.format("%02i",ethics[name])
end
return result
end

-- Iterate across all civs
for civ_id,entity in ipairs(df.global.world.entities.all) do
local raw_ethic = getEthicString(entity.entity_raw.ethic)
local sav_ethic = getEthicString(entity.resources.ethic)
-- Throw a message if the ethics strings are different from each other
if raw_ethic ~= sav_ethic then
print("civ_id="..civ_id,dfhack.TranslateName(entity.name),"Ethics don't match!")
print(string.format(" [ENTITY:%s]",entity.entity_raw.code))
for _,field in ipairs(ethic_fields) do
if entity.entity_raw.ethic[field] ~= entity.resources.ethic[field] then
print(string.format("  [ETHIC:%s:%s]\n    RAWs say %s",field,ethic_enum[entity.resources.ethic[field]],ethic_enum[entity.entity_raw.ethic[field]]))
end
end
end
end


You can get nice-looking output like the following:

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[DFHack]# index-ethics
civ_id=326      Ongetodur       Ethics don't match!
 [ENTITY:MOUNTAIN]
  [ETHIC:KILL_NEUTRAL:REQUIRED]
    RAWs say ONLY_IF_SANCTIONED
  [ETHIC:KILL_ENEMY:REQUIRED]
    RAWs say ACCEPTABLE
civ_id=393      Kimenemmun      Ethics don't match!
 [ENTITY:PLAINS]
  [ETHIC:KILL_NEUTRAL:REQUIRED]
    RAWs say JUSTIFIED_IF_NO_REPERCUSSIONS
  [ETHIC:KILL_ENEMY:REQUIRED]
    RAWs say ACCEPTABLE
civ_id=402      Gusilgadan      Ethics don't match!
 [ENTITY:MOUNTAIN]
  [ETHIC:KILL_NEUTRAL:REQUIRED]
    RAWs say ONLY_IF_SANCTIONED
  [ETHIC:KILL_ENEMY:REQUIRED]
    RAWs say ACCEPTABLE
civ_id=413      Kalsiibu        Ethics don't match!
 [ENTITY:PLAINS]
  [ETHIC:KILL_NEUTRAL:REQUIRED]
    RAWs say JUSTIFIED_IF_NO_REPERCUSSIONS
  [ETHIC:KILL_ENEMY:REQUIRED]
    RAWs say ACCEPTABLE
civ_id=775      Ave Apalě       Ethics don't match!
 [ENTITY:FOREST]
  [ETHIC:KILL_NEUTRAL:REQUIRED]
    RAWs say ACCEPTABLE
Here, you can see that all five of these civs are now REQUIRED to KILL_NEUTRAL, while the former four also are REQUIRED to KILL_ENEMY.

I just did a quick mod so that civilization names are printed, so people can do research in Legends to see what had happened to cause such a change. Meanwhile, civilization IDs are also printed so that it is easier to locate them when hacking.

[Edmus]

 I just had my monarch arrive in my game.

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She too was a goblin citizen elevated to monarch for some reason.

[Sutremaine]

Seeing goblin personality traits laid out like that makes me wonder if goblins are actually the calmest and most stable race in DF. Despite the lot of them having no self-control, no concept of honesty, etc., they still manage to form civs that don't implode even though their ruler can't keep an eye on all of them, all the time. They might say they freely cheat each other at any time, but if they came across a dwarven personality with the 'freely cheating' trait, would they simply find it too much to handle? Perhaps goblins treat each other like the sort of friend you can talk to in a way that a stranger would find shocking, and a dwarven cheat would make them go 'holy crap, you'd actually do that to, like, even another dwarf? I thought you were supposed to be the honest ones'.

This doesn't account for all the murder, though. I just think it's weird that every goblin is a selfish raging asshole surrounded by selfish raging assholes, and yet they still have specialised professionals who contribute to goblin society and rely on contributions from others outside their profession.

[miauw62]

Orks?