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Re: Finding my spirituality, nontheist/atheist religions
« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2015, 02:22:56 pm »

Alright, I definitely can't help you out with that.
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Re: Finding my spirituality, nontheist/atheist religions
« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2015, 02:23:21 pm »

Ever read Carlos Castaneda? There's a lot of strange stuff going on in those books, but the underlying message of self-determination is very cool imo.
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« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2015, 03:05:16 pm »

From that description of what you're looking for, some kind of pagan/wiccan thing or other might be the best fit for you.

MSH: Helgo and I had long discussion about his Catholicism, and why he was still a regular churchgoer despite being not much of a believer (I don't think he'd describe himself as a Catholic Atheist the way I do however, I'll let him speak for himself on that one), which opened me to the whole idea of being a Catholic without believing the metaphysical stuff behind it.

A bit later, my grandmother died, and among the various duties we had was to find a ceremony. She has always been anticlerical, and the family in general (on my father side) is quite godless, so a church service was out of the question, but both me and my father realized we missed the kind of rythm in one's lives the Church provide. I also knew some really fine Catholics, and I envied the community and social life they had at the parish.

So I mulled it over for a few weeks, and took my decision. I was going to visit Helgo for a music festival anyway, so I decided to ask him to baptize me into the Church. For one thing, I liked the idea of having the man who first opened my mind to the idea of being a Catholic Atheist to baptize me, and also I knew he wouldn't ask embarrassing questions such as "Do you believe in God", as a normal priest might.*

To my slight disappointment, Helgoland didn't show the slightest bit of surprise when I asked him, out of the blue, to baptize me. He was like "Yeah, sure, do you want it now?". I declined his offer to baptize me in his bedroom, which lacked the proper decorum, so we waited until the music festival that was on the banks of the Rhine, where Helgo, magnificent in my kilt, baptize me with a water that tasted faintly of chemical waster.



*That's the reason I've not done my confirmation yet. That sacrament, unlike baptism, cannot be done by anyone, so I'd need to find a really open-minded bishop.
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Re: Finding my spirituality, nontheist/atheist religions
« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2015, 03:22:44 pm »

Yet another fascinating story of real life Bay 12. You know, being that you're already well into the excommunicatable levels of heresy, there's not a lot really keeping you from just lying to the priests about it all. Catholics don't play around with the ceremony thing, so you might have a tough time finding a priest who'd be willing. There was an Australian bishop that got excommunicated just a few months ago for doing same-sex weddings, so they definitely still watch for these things.
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Re: Finding my spirituality, nontheist/atheist religions
« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2015, 03:29:03 pm »

Yeah, or I could go along without doing my confirmation. I don't think you actually need it for anything (unlike baptism, which you need to partake in the Eucharist).
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« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2015, 03:31:42 pm »

All the Catholics I've ever spoken to consider taking the Eucharist without true belief and confession in all the teachings of the RCC to be the greatest possible affront to their religion.

But given how I feel about the RCC, go for it!
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Re: Finding my spirituality, nontheist/atheist religions
« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2015, 03:35:52 pm »

Technically, I should confess before taking the Eucharist, what with sex outside marriage being a mortal sin and all that... And of course, there is the doctrine of transubstantiation, but I wonder how many Catholics really believe in that one.
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Re: Finding my spirituality, nontheist/atheist religions
« Reply #22 on: November 02, 2015, 06:35:19 pm »

If you want a community then create one of like minded beings. Feel free to take as much as you can from anywhere, as long as your beliefs are within the human rights you are good. But I am only a highly individualistic agnostic.
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Re: Finding my spirituality, nontheist/atheist religions
« Reply #23 on: November 02, 2015, 11:10:01 pm »

All the Catholics I've ever spoken to consider taking the Eucharist without true belief and confession in all the teachings of the RCC to be the greatest possible affront to their religion.

What about the actions described by De Sade, like [redacted] the Eucharist [redacted], surely that's more offensive.

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Re: Finding my spirituality, nontheist/atheist religions
« Reply #24 on: November 02, 2015, 11:11:29 pm »

All the Catholics I've ever spoken to consider taking the Eucharist without true belief and confession in all the teachings of the RCC to be the greatest possible affront to their religion.

What about the actions described by De Sade, like [redacted] the Eucharist [redacted], surely that's more offensive.
That's probably a bit less common than nonbelievers eating Jesus.
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Re: Finding my spirituality, nontheist/atheist religions
« Reply #25 on: November 13, 2015, 09:14:06 am »

... as a practicing Catholic... I'm just going to say ouch to all this.

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Re: Finding my spirituality, nontheist/atheist religions
« Reply #26 on: November 13, 2015, 09:36:03 am »

Care to expand on this? :)
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Re: Finding my spirituality, nontheist/atheist religions
« Reply #27 on: November 13, 2015, 03:50:12 pm »

@OP

Have you looked into Taoism? I'll just redirect you to Google for more info, I'm only familiar with the basics, but that seems like a sort of thing I could get behind.

Personally, I'm not looking to join any spiritual community. When I seek to find something that is common between me and other seven billion people on Earth, the answer is right there in the question, for me, at least - we are all the same biological species, meaning that we are driven by the same basic desires and needs, from which all the other, more complex ones, derive. If you think real hard about the set of circumstances a person lives in and add it up to that, you can develop a pretty good understanding of what's going on with that person. And the whole community thing is exactly about understanding each other, at least that's my view on the thing.
I don't really want to draw any more connections between me and random people. I have a handful of friends and a few family members, a whole lot of acquaintances. A bunch of weird people on the net (hi, bay12). That covers my social needs for now.

Ultimately, I try to comply with "Live and let live" principle.
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Re: Finding my spirituality, nontheist/atheist religions
« Reply #28 on: November 15, 2015, 09:32:39 pm »

Care to expand on this? :)
If you'll read the Nicene Creed, an essential summary of what Catholics believe... The very first line is "I believe in one god." I'm pretty sure(no, completely sure) that atheist means "man or woman who does not believe that god exists". A Catholic Atheist can thus, not exist. If my logic is correct.
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Re: Finding my spirituality, nontheist/atheist religions
« Reply #29 on: November 16, 2015, 01:58:59 am »

@OP

Have you looked into Taoism?

If you're looking into eastern faiths then you might as well check out buddhism too (but not Hinduism or Shinto as they've got more gods then you can shake a stick at)
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