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Re: Trespassers of the Multiverse: Gaiden [OOC] Compleation is a drop away...
« Reply #17520 on: April 27, 2016, 07:46:27 pm »

No, I'm more just saying that he isn't automatically right on real-life programming either. Yes, his assumptions may be flawed, but some of his arguments in themselves may also be flawed.
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Re: Trespassers of the Multiverse: Gaiden [OOC] Compleation is a drop away...
« Reply #17521 on: April 27, 2016, 07:47:50 pm »

Thought of the day, what if, Software is constrained by hardware, hardware is constrained by physics, Star Wars' Physics is different from ours, and by extension, their hardware, and again, their software is incompatible with ours without modification or a middleman.
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Re: Trespassers of the Multiverse: Gaiden [OOC] Compleation is a drop away...
« Reply #17522 on: April 27, 2016, 07:49:05 pm »

There aren't necessarily hard constraints like TBF states anyway.
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Re: Trespassers of the Multiverse: Gaiden [OOC] Compleation is a drop away...
« Reply #17523 on: April 27, 2016, 07:50:58 pm »

Feel free to ignore my opinions on that part of the argument, I don't know about programming beyond it involves 1s and 0s  :P

My point was that even if all of what they said about programming was right, they'd still be more than likely wrong because they're assuming that Star Wars stuff works anything like our stuff.
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Re: Trespassers of the Multiverse: Gaiden [OOC] Compleation is a drop away...
« Reply #17524 on: April 27, 2016, 07:51:48 pm »

Software is absurdly abstracted, you can't just automatically assume that given the same hardware, people will create the exact same abstractions layer by layer and end up being able to understand one using only a background in the other.

My point was that even if all of what they said about programming was right, they'd still be more than likely wrong because they're assuming that Star Wars stuff works anything like our stuff.
Yeah that, I definitely agree with.
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Re: Trespassers of the Multiverse: Gaiden [OOC] Compleation is a drop away...
« Reply #17525 on: April 27, 2016, 07:53:47 pm »

Aie ye yi.

I suppose you're right (except for any argument involving droidspeak), although I still believe that there would be fundamental similarities.
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Re: Trespassers of the Multiverse: Gaiden [OOC] Compleation is a drop away...
« Reply #17526 on: April 27, 2016, 07:54:41 pm »

I would have assumed that computers can search the internet
but to be fair
Feel free to ignore my opinions on that part of the argument, I didn't actually think it through very much
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Star Wars droids probably don't speak http

also I am the slowest of posters, sorry elf senpai ;~;
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Re: Trespassers of the Multiverse: Gaiden [OOC] Compleation is a drop away...
« Reply #17527 on: April 27, 2016, 07:55:58 pm »

Yeah, I even said that at the start that 6AR'd have problems with HTTP.

I would like to just point out that pattern analysis is still a thing.
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Re: Trespassers of the Multiverse: Gaiden [OOC] Compleation is a drop away...
« Reply #17528 on: April 27, 2016, 07:56:59 pm »

Aie ye yi.

I suppose you're right (except for any argument involving droidspeak), although I still believe that there would be fundamental similarities.
But why would you believe this? It has been the core argument, and you haven't managed to refute our arguments that the similarities are not fundamental... but we have refuted yours.
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Re: Trespassers of the Multiverse: Gaiden [OOC] Compleation is a drop away...
« Reply #17529 on: April 27, 2016, 07:58:38 pm »

More importantly, where in 6AR's sheet does he have that ability?

Pattern analysis is not an ability you can brush off as an unspoken ability like a character with wings having flight, or being able to reason out how duct tape works.
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Re: Trespassers of the Multiverse: Gaiden [OOC] Compleation is a drop away...
« Reply #17530 on: April 27, 2016, 08:00:41 pm »

Pattern analysis is actually a core piece of AI, the ability to recognize the existence of patterns and to assign labels to inputs. Of course, this does not actually solve the issues of compatibility. Being able to recognize the existence of a pattern is not the same thing as knowing its contents, or being able to interface with it in the first place. It doesn't allow something to fix issues as potentially deep as binary non-binary differences.
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Re: Trespassers of the Multiverse: Gaiden [OOC] Compleation is a drop away...
« Reply #17531 on: April 27, 2016, 08:02:46 pm »

I still believe that there would be fundamental similarities.
Maybe at lower levels, but at high levels of abstraction it's hard to say. I mean, if their website-equivalents run anything remotely like Javascript, then it is clear there is no hope, no God, no future, and that we should all submit ourselves to the Trespassers so that the sweet embrace of oblivion shall unburden us of our follies and the wretched fate they have inflicted upon us.

I would like to just point out that pattern analysis is still a thing.
As long as it isn't parsed via regular expressions.
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Re: Trespassers of the Multiverse: Gaiden [OOC] Compleation is a drop away...
« Reply #17532 on: April 27, 2016, 08:10:14 pm »

Actually, I have a question: Wouldn't 6AR have gotten the same communication/language autotranslator as everybody else got?  Those that don't speak English, for example...
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Re: Trespassers of the Multiverse: Gaiden [OOC] Compleation is a drop away...
« Reply #17533 on: April 27, 2016, 08:11:05 pm »

Actually, I have a question: Wouldn't 6AR have gotten the same communication/language autotranslator as everybody else got?

Only Big Daddy got a radio module, other than that, people went and bought phones and such.
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Re: Trespassers of the Multiverse: Gaiden [OOC] Compleation is a drop away...
« Reply #17534 on: April 27, 2016, 08:11:51 pm »

No, I mean, 6AR is speaking English.  I may have phrased that exceedingly poorly, but...The point stands.
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