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[Shadestyle]

Oh what the hell.

Either way, the idea is it only affects his weapon attack, no skill involved.

Any other comments on his abilities and why they are balanced because he does not really have anything else he can do?

[Twinwolf]

If we can't upgrade basic attacks, someone tell that to It that Embraces...

Aye.

You seem to have misinterpreted, I was saying ItE was breaking a rule.

The question has been asked before and the answer was no. As with so many other things, that thing got through because "OMG Twi-senpai!".

[BlitzDungeoneer]

Quotes, please? There's literally nothing mentioned in the OP about Basic Actions being un-upgradeable, and at least two characters who have upgraded Basic Actions.

[IamanElfCollaborator]

My main quibble with Foreigner is that it more or less allows him to do a ton of really, really broken things, with no rolls whatsoever, for a unique resource that subverts the usual thing that WOULD balance this out (recoil, turn-based timer, limited uses). Yes, it's "balanced" by him being unable to regain patience instead by doing things outside of combat, but it's irrelevant if he just does those and outshines everyone else anyway.

In particular, Doublevision is ridiculous. It really doesn't matter if it's not treated like an ult, both because it's a pain in the ass to write and is also patently ridiculous (double healing for the party, double damage against all enemies and for one turn really doesn't seem balanced to me). Do Over is also patently ridiculous, as it's basically a 'free reroll until I win' button akin to Whispers of the Force, which is another absolutely OP thing to have; and the only difference is that the former doesn't happen automatically, which again is rendered irrelevant due to it having no real other counterbalance bar the unique resource.

Moreover, we're still due a summon revamp because TBF and Emp BROKE the last one wide open, so I can't even approve it on that basis.

If we can't upgrade basic attacks, someone tell that to It that Embraces...

Aye.

You seem to have misinterpreted, I was saying ItE was breaking a rule.

The question has been asked before and the answer was no. As with so many other things, that thing got through because "OMG Twi-senpai!".

Ain't no rule against it. There will be anyway, as soon as I get talking with San, because the intent of a Basic Attack is that it's your emergency attack, when your Abilities are useless.

[TheBiggerFish]

Whispers of the Force isn't 'free reroll until I win', it's mechanically equivalent to D&D's Advantage...  Just with a different name.

[Shadestyle]

My main quibble with Foreigner is that it more or less allows him to do a ton of really, really broken things, with no rolls whatsoever, for a unique resource that subverts the usual thing that WOULD balance this out (recoil, turn-based timer, limited uses). Yes, it's "balanced" by him being unable to regain patience instead by doing things outside of combat, but it's irrelevant if he just does those and outshines everyone else anyway.

In particular, Doublevision is ridiculous. It really doesn't matter if it's not treated like an ult, both because it's a pain in the ass to write and is also patently ridiculous (double healing for the party, double damage against all enemies and for one turn really doesn't seem balanced to me). Do Over is also patently ridiculous, as it's basically a 'free reroll until I win' button akin to Whispers of the Force, which is another absolutely OP thing to have; and the only difference is that the former doesn't happen automatically, which again is rendered irrelevant due to it having no real other counterbalance bar the unique resource.

Fine, I'll Replace Doublevision if it really gets you twisted like this. but for the record, Enemies get it too, so double damage taken, double enemy abilities, so on and so forth.  It does not really give action economy.

That's ALL he can do though. he does not outshine anyone because he has an attack that deals 12 damage, an attack that deals 20 damage, no Piercing, no AOE, nothing special at all, ALL he has is a really nice support ability that lets People take 5 on something IF HE KNOWS OF IT IN ADVANCE.

He cannot do it to things that have already happened, he has to pick a roll he thinks will be made this turn (An ally's attack, a crafting roll, some zany tactic that would make someone else look good because they dive right thorough something and it explodes when they do it right)   His whole Job is to make other people look good and do it while looking not half bad himself.

His skills don't have rolls, Ok, He has an ability that lets him reroll, ok, so basically, the thing you said lets him outshine everyone is actually worthless to him.

Shut Up TBF.

Doublevision changed to only affect one target on a 3 turn cooldown, even though it is backed up by a perk.

Whatever.

[IamanElfCollaborator]

If you nerf Doublevision and Do Over, as well as make Patience acquisition harder, I may consider approving this, but even if I wanted to, I can't right now because the summon rules are in need a revamping to begin with.

[Shadestyle]

He currently has a max of 50 Rerolls per plot.

That is not unbalanced considering he will spend more than 5 Per combat, and more than 10 outside of each, and the only way to replenish it is by gaining experience and grinding tedious stuff, something we won't get more than 100 of in a plot in all likelyhood, and may not get any of the latter, depending on how nice the GM is.

Oh, and did I mention, his only means of avoiding damage spends as much of it as the enemy has Dex, which means unless i upgrade it, it loses effectiveness the stronger the enemies get? So he could lose upwards of 20 patience just dodging an attack.

Oh, and lethal damage forces this, because he has no self heal.

so basically, he literally cannot use this more than maybe 50 Times per level. at best.  Assuming he uses it enough to even be USEFUL, he has to shell out tons of patience for a single action.

Doublevision has been changed to affect one target on a 3 turn cooldown, even though it has a perk backing it up.

[Adragis]

oh wow, I forgot Sandra had invisibility

[TheBiggerFish]

Wait, when since?

[Adragis]

since she staggered back to Mio's house practically naked and covered in wounds

[TheBiggerFish]

Not on her sheet though.

[Twinwolf]

I think that was what we call a joke.

[Powder Miner]

...no, uh, sandra was actually invisible
apparently

[TheBiggerFish]

...no, uh, sandra was actually invisible
apparently

Yeah, I was wondering what you thought the joke was, Twinwolf...