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[mainiac]

Not directly though.  It's a matter of sub-culture identities and more complex.

[martinuzz]

Ohw but there is cause and effect, just the other way around. Being an antisemite makes you 100 times more likely to deny the holocaust.

I'm not sure. There's a lot of anti-semites who fully acknowledge the Holocaust and express sadness it did not complete.

[Antioch]

There is some odd phenomena where conspiracy theories have somehow become very popular. You hear people defend the craziest things completely oblivious of facts.

Shit that I have seen this month:

International space station doesn't exist
Holocaust did not happen
Moon landing are a hoax
9/11 conspiracy shit
Nukes don't exist

I guess it has something to do with the internet making the spread of such idea's easy and the overall increasing complexity of the world we live in that makes it hard to comprehend.

[Neonivek]

Moon landing are a hoax

Of all the ones this is the most disappointing because it can be instantly confirmed at anytime.

It kind of ruins the joy of a conspiracy theory when you can basically prove it wrong by just looking at it.

[Vilanat]

The ISS is perhaps the most disappointing because while the others are all historic events (I see "Nukes don't exist" as saying "Hiroshima and Nagasaki were never bombed by a Nuke, so the japanese are just a bunch of lying cry babies", which is the same as saying the Holocaust didn't exist) and thus subject to possible yet non plausible revisionism, the ISS can be seen directly by anyone with a decent telescope.

[IronyOwl]

Denying the holocaust doesn't make you an antisemite any more then shaving your head and tatooing a sawastika on it makes you a Nazi.  There is no cause and effect.

Damn Buddhists!

Alright, sigged.

Not directly though.  It's a matter of sub-culture identities and more complex.

Yes but that's hard, so holocaust denier -> anti-semite -> holocaust denier. As usual, nobody notices or learns anything from the crushing irony.

There is some odd phenomena where conspiracy theories have somehow become very popular. You hear people defend the craziest things completely oblivious of facts.

Of all the ones this is the most disappointing because it can be instantly confirmed at anytime.

It kind of ruins the joy of a conspiracy theory when you can basically prove it wrong by just looking at it.

The ISS is perhaps the most disappointing because while the others are all historic events (I see "Nukes don't exist" as saying "Hiroshima and Nagasaki were never bombed by a Nuke, so the japanese are just a bunch of lying cry babies", which is the same as saying the Holocaust didn't exist) and thus subject to possible yet non plausible revisionism, the ISS can be seen directly by anyone with a decent telescope.

What, no love for the venerable Flat Earth Society? It's like a gold mine for tilting your head at your screen.

[Arx]

I'm not entirely sure (it doesn't often come up in conversation), but I think I used to know a guy who was president of the Flat Earth Society for a while. He was also a well-known geographer with a reasonable academic reputation, so go figure. It might only have been the local wing, or a similar but distinct group though.

[mainiac]

Yes but that's hard, so holocaust denier -> anti-semite -> holocaust denier. As usual, nobody notices or learns anything from the crushing irony.

What do you mean nobody learns anything?  It's a very illuminating correlation that tells you a lot, especially when combined with basic knowledge about society.

[Reelya]

Denying the holocaust doesn't make you an antisemite any more then shaving your head and tatooing a sawastika on it makes you a Nazi.  There is no cause and effect.

Just as correlation does not prove causation, lack of causation doesn't disprove correlation.

There's a distinct lack of holocaust deniers who don't turn out to be anti-semites or pro-nazi.

By the same token we can say there's no specific connection between being a Neo-Nazi and anti-semitic. Someone could support Hitler but claim the anti-Jewish stuff was a slur against Hitler. Therefore they're pro-Nazi but they're claiming the anti-Jewish stuff never happened, which wouldn't make them anti-semitic per se, as they seek to decouple the evidence of anti-semitism from Hitlers track record.

[mainiac]

Germany saw it's chance... and said no.  I guess Germany likes the hat of guilt to the hundredth generation.

Just as correlation does not prove causation, lack of causation doesn't disprove correlation.

There's a distinct lack of holocaust deniers who don't turn out to be anti-semites or pro-nazi.

... yeah, that was my point.

[SirQuiamus]

Damn straight, Bibi! Christopher Hitchens was right!

[Antioch]

Holy shit I just read the flat earth societies forum.

There are people there that ACTUALLY belief it.

[Loud Whispers]

This is one of the few times it's not Charlemagne's fault

[Bohandas]

It would be like if I didn't believe, say, Suffrage happened that I'd be sexist.
Also does it really matter who came up with the idea? The real process that made the holocaust different was the technology and organization involved. The idea of "murdering everyone of one type of people" isn't anything new.

Yeah. It wasn't really an original idea anyway. It was a pretty mediocre rehash of things like the armenian genocide and the biblical conquest of canaan.

EDIT:
It's not really meaningfully more significant than those prior genocides nor to subsequent genocides like the one in Rawanda

I'm not entirely sure (it doesn't often come up in conversation), but I think I used to know a guy who was president of the Flat Earth Society for a while. He was also a well-known geographer with a reasonable academic reputation, so go figure. It might only have been the local wing, or a similar but distinct group though.

I always assumed that the Flat Earth Society was one of those things like Conservapedia where trolls outnumbered the serious members

[mainiac]

I always assumed that the Flat Earth Society was one of those things like Conservapedia where trolls outnumbered the serious members

I'm pretty sure.  I went there when I was a naive teenager once and posted some stuff about the cavendish experiments.  A troll responded to me who was a moderator.  I believe the foxes are running the henhouse.