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Author Topic: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)  (Read 265695 times)

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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #1470 on: April 03, 2017, 09:16:30 am »

It's most likely ISIS (or at least a lone wolf who pledged to ISIS), yeah, but it's too soon to have confirmed that, which is what I meant.
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« Reply #1471 on: April 03, 2017, 09:56:32 am »

Another explosive found from a station: http://tass.com/world/939044
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« Reply #1472 on: April 03, 2017, 10:01:47 am »

It's most likely ISIS (or at least a lone wolf who pledged to ISIS), yeah, but it's too soon to have confirmed that, which is what I meant.
Though even if they claim it, that doesn't exactly mean they were actually behind it. More than one terrorist group that likes to do that, since being attributed with the act helps them regardless as to the veracity of the attribution. Without more information, the "who" could be just about anyone, for all something organized is more likely. It's not exactly unknown for someone random to blow something up, and organized terrorist/criminal groups and those they support don't have a monopoly on the ability to construct explosives.

Being able to build something at home with relatively normal access to civilian resources is definitely more difficult and less likely to produce results, but it's still a thing, and at least from what I've noticed from the bits of news that are in so far (which are admittedly slim on details) it wouldn't take much of a boom to do what's being reported. 9-10 dead and a couple dozen or so wounded in a close in/crowded area is within the territory of a well packed pipe bomb, which are dead easy to make so far as explosives go.
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« Reply #1473 on: April 03, 2017, 10:07:24 am »

It could have been an actual hand grenade for what we know. The damage they can do in a crowd, indoors can be brutal.

From the pictures I've seen the bomb went off within the subway car, next to or nearby the doors. There are no signs of shrapnel but the doors are distrorted and bent outwards on one side and completetly blown away on the other.
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #1474 on: April 03, 2017, 10:20:12 am »

Eh, at least if the reports were accurate it probably wasn't. They specified the second explosive was makeshift, so (assuming the two are connected, anyway) either of them being a proper grenade is unlikely.
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #1475 on: April 03, 2017, 01:48:46 pm »

In St. Petersburgs, a bomb exploded in the metro, killing at least 10 people and wounding dozens. The National Anti Terror Comittee reports that another bomb was found in a different metro station, and has been disarmed.

No one has claimed the attack yet. Putin says he is taking all possibilities into account, including terrorism.
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« Reply #1476 on: April 04, 2017, 04:34:00 am »

If not ISIS, then who? The only realistic alternative are the unvanquished remnants of Chechen "freedom fighters", but the last one from them was 4 years ago.

Couldn't it be both? Chechen Isis offshoots?
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« Reply #1477 on: April 04, 2017, 08:14:41 am »

Well, the bomber was found to be a Russian national born in Kyrgyzstan, and there are displaced Chechens in Kyrgyzstan, so, some sort of Chechen link is possible here.
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #1478 on: April 04, 2017, 05:02:51 pm »

Kyrgyz are also Muslims. And well, a large number of Russian citizens joined ISIS. The connection would be a logical one.
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #1480 on: April 07, 2017, 12:03:57 am »

First law of robotics: A robot may never harm Putin's position of power
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« Reply #1481 on: April 13, 2017, 12:00:30 pm »

I guess a China story goes in this thread? Eastasia thread is dead.

https://techcrunch.com/2017/04/11/the-surprising-rise-of-china-as-ip-powerhouse/

"The surprising rise of China as IP powerhouse"

Yeah, "surprising" if you are an idiot. I've been telling people for years now that China will end up creating/owning their own major brands, some friends scoffed at me just a few years ago, and said "China can only copy the west, they can't created anything new!" But that's just a repeat of what people said about Japan a couple of generations ago ... you go from copying to making your own in no time.

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« Reply #1482 on: April 13, 2017, 11:28:29 pm »

If we're talking about China now, the J-20 stealth fighter jet was confirmed to have entered service last month. Ten bucks says that they'll be buzzing islands in the SCS within a year.
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« Reply #1483 on: April 14, 2017, 04:00:27 am »

International organisations have called upon Russia to stop torturing Chechen gays. A Russian newspaper reported earlier this month, that hundreds of men were arrested by the police under suspicion of homosexuality. Part of them were tortured, at least 3 were murdered.

The CHechen authorities deny the incident. The CHechen government has issued a statement which declares that it is impossible, because there are no gays in the CHechen reupblic. "No one can arrest someone that simply does not exist".

According to the Russian newspaper Novaya Gazeta, the authorities have secret black site prisons, were homosexual men are locked away and tortured.

The United Nations says in a statement, that the Russian government has to end the prosecution of people that are regarded as homosexual or bisexual. According to the UN, those live in a climate of fear, fed by homophobic speeches of local authorities.

Europe, as well, calls for action. The human rights division of OSCE says that 'Russia needs to urgently investigate the disappearance, torture, and other abuse of homosexual men in Chechen.

In London, hundreds of people protested outside the Russian embassy, waving rainbow flags.


EDIT: unrelated, meanwhile in Turkey, Christian Turks are accusing Erdogan of purposedly holding the referendum on Easter Sunday, in an effort to prevent Christians from voting. "Erdogan hopes that all christians will be in church, instead of voting."
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #1484 on: April 14, 2017, 10:24:36 am »

International organisations have called upon Russia to stop torturing Chechen gays. A Russian newspaper reported earlier this month, that hundreds of men were arrested by the police under suspicion of homosexuality. Part of them were tortured, at least 3 were murdered.

The CHechen authorities deny the incident. The CHechen government has issued a statement which declares that it is impossible, because there are no gays in the CHechen reupblic. "No one can arrest someone that simply does not exist".

According to the Russian newspaper Novaya Gazeta, the authorities have secret black site prisons, were homosexual men are locked away and tortured.

The United Nations says in a statement, that the Russian government has to end the prosecution of people that are regarded as homosexual or bisexual. According to the UN, those live in a climate of fear, fed by homophobic speeches of local authorities.

Europe, as well, calls for action. The human rights division of OSCE says that 'Russia needs to urgently investigate the disappearance, torture, and other abuse of homosexual men in Chechen.

In London, hundreds of people protested outside the Russian embassy, waving rainbow flags.
You forgot the part where the gays are put into concentration camps, first concentration camps in Europe for LGBT people since Hitler.
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