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[Jimmy]

Yeah, anyone watching the 2013 protests in Turkey knew this was going to happen. Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan is a pretty clear cut dictator who just so happens to have western approval due to successfully leading a 'democratic' Muslim nation. The 2016 coup attempt wasn't a spur of the moment decision. It was the culmination of years of unrest against an incumbent leader that many high ranking people believed was in their nation's best interests.

[redwallzyl]

Meanwhile, Turkey has been very busy breaching international law, by creating hordes of stateless people.
Any Turk living outside of Turkey who critisizes the Turkish government, will be recalled to Turkey to be trialed as a Gülen supporter. If they do not return to Turkey within 3 months, their Turkish nationality is revoked. Not just Gülen sympatisants are targeted. Kurds, journalists and scientists working abroad have found themselves forced to apply for asylum as a stateless person.
Dutch immigration service reports many work permits turning into asylum requests now.

don't worry I'm sure the president will take a strong stance...oh wait its trump...shit.

[martinuzz]

Meanwhile in Munich, the Russian minister of Foreign Affairs, Sergej Lavrov, while attending the international security conference, where Pence had just conveyed America's everlasting support to NATO, said he hopes there will be a "post-western world order, where every nation's sovereignty is respected. The time that western countries dictate everything is over".

He repeated his mantra, that the western world is stuck in a cold war mentality, while Russia wants a pragmatic relation with the US, based on mutual respect and shared responsibility for world peace. He says the current tensions between Russia and the West are unnatural. "common sense has been sacrificed to a russophobe minority".
He also says resuming military cooperation and coordination between Russia and NATO would benefit stability.


Heh - perhaps Russia, as a sign of good intent, would be so kind to set the right example for 'respecting a nation's sovereignty', and return Crimea to Ukraine then?

[Sergarr]

Ukraine is, evidently, not considered a real sovereign country. Just this day (or yesterday?) there was an officially signed declaration by Putin himself for recognition of all documentation, passports, that sort of stuff, that's made in DNR/LNR territories. This violates Ukraine's sovereignity, and quite blatantly so.

Really, you should listen less to Russian upper-level official statements. It's like reading Soviet Union newspapers - it's pure trash, only connected with reality through a vastly complicated network of "coded phrases" which allow them to "unofficially" make and retract statements at will, never actually committing themselves to do anything.

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I think UR may have cursed me upon leaving this forum - it seems that with each passing day I'm growing to dislike Russian government more and more...

[smjjames]

You should tell that to the news agencies.

This article, which does mention the passports, also says that Russia will pull out heavy equipment and have a ceasefire on Monday. Lets see if that holds for a significantly extended period of time, like say, a year. Both the ceasefire and the pulling out and staying out of heavy equipment.

[Jimmy]

Putin promises to pull out, nine months later there's a rebirth of guerrilla fighters.

[smjjames]

Putin promises to pull out, nine months later there's a rebirth of guerrilla fighters.

Lol the intentional innuendo. I see what you did there.

[palsch]

The long serving Russian emisary to the UN, Vitaly Churkin, died today in New York of a heart attack, a day before his 65th birthday.

This is the fourth death of a senior Russian diplomat overseas in the last three months.

By convention a brief eulogy would be delivered by the Chair of the United Nations Security Council. This month that is the Ukrainian ambassador. If the schedule isn't changed this would be ahead of a discussion of the violence in Ukraine. Slightly awkward.

[Starver]

It would be perfectly possible to eulogise the person without going into their nation's actions. The litmus test will be if/how this is accomplished.

(As good an opportunity to roll out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T17VzztS60M as any...)

[smjjames]

Yeah, it'd be awkward for sure. Probably easy enough to eulogize the ambassador as a person, maybe talk about a few charitable things that he'd done. It'd still be INCREDIBLY awkward for an Ukranian ambassador to praise a Russian ambassador.

Even if the Ukranian ambassador avoids politics, it'd still be awkward no matter what simply because the Ukranian ambassador is saying nice things about Russia.

[Sergarr]

Ukraine has blocked eulogy of Russian ambassador.

Looks like they don't want to do it.

[Sheb]

Ukraine has blocked eulogy of Russian ambassador.

Looks like they don't want to do it.

That's kind of diskish.

[Starver]

Disappointingly handled, but I don't have any direct knowledge of the immediacy the issue bears to either the average, the political or perhaps (but I'm betting it's not their choice, but a directive arising from back home) the diplomatic Ukranians.

[smjjames]

Ukraine has blocked eulogy of Russian ambassador.

Looks like they don't want to do it.

Translated page isn't loading for me, though it seems to be from Ukranian to Russian (aren't the two mutually intelligible? Thought they were closely related, but then German and English are closely related but not mutually intelligible. Though there are recognizeable words.) rather than Ukranian or Russian to English.

I agree with Sheb though, it is rather dickish. No idea whether they could have just declined or deferred it to someone else, if they were able to.

[Sergarr]

Translated page isn't loading for me, though it seems to be from Ukranian to Russian (aren't the two mutually intelligible? Thought they were closely related, but then German and English are closely related but not mutually intelligible. Though there are recognizeable words.) rather than Ukranian or Russian to English.

I have no idea why this keeps happening, it should be set to "Russian to English". Maybe I should just always link originals and leave the task of using Google Translate to other people, because this is not the first time this happened.