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Strife26

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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #1335 on: February 10, 2017, 06:36:41 pm »

The Armata rolls an unmanned turret, yeah. Russian doctrine is much more ready to use autoloaders than American, as a third order effect of traditional soviet cannibalization/maintenance techniques.
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« Reply #1336 on: February 16, 2017, 05:51:19 pm »

Russia will pay off the final debts of the USSR in summer this year, 2017, 26 years since its fall. USSR has apparently took a lot of debt. Interesting.
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« Reply #1337 on: February 16, 2017, 05:57:47 pm »

Russia will pay off the final debts of the USSR in summer this year, 2017, 26 years since its fall. USSR has apparently took a lot of debt. Interesting.

iirc Germany was paying off East German debt for a long time too. It's what happens when an empire ends through economic meltdown, I guess.
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #1338 on: February 16, 2017, 06:03:48 pm »

You call that a lot of debt? Germany only payed off its Versailles reparations a couple years ago.

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« Reply #1339 on: February 16, 2017, 06:05:23 pm »

You call that a lot of debt? Germany only payed off its Versailles reparations a couple years ago.

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Versailles? Is that WWI?

edit: Wiki'd it and yeah that's WWI.
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« Reply #1340 on: February 16, 2017, 06:06:18 pm »

Ayup, it is. I think we didn't have to start paying until after unification though, so you might consider this cheating...
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« Reply #1341 on: February 16, 2017, 06:08:21 pm »

Oh, huh. Wondered why it would take roughly a century to repay all of that back. Sure, there was the Great Depression and WWII, but still.
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #1342 on: February 17, 2017, 04:31:55 am »

The Armata rolls an unmanned turret, yeah. Russian doctrine is much more ready to use autoloaders than American, as a third order effect of traditional soviet cannibalization/maintenance techniques.

That sounds interesting, could you expand?
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« Reply #1343 on: February 17, 2017, 05:00:17 am »

The Armata rolls an unmanned turret, yeah. Russian doctrine is much more ready to use autoloaders than American, as a third order effect of traditional soviet cannibalization/maintenance techniques.

That sounds interesting, could you expand?

The USSR (even going back to pre-Soviet Russia, really) has had serious problems with supply chains and logistics, for various reasons. As a result, it was generally easier to resupply by cannibalization. Instead of sending resupply to Unit A and Unit B, it was easier to combine A & B into a fullish strength polyglot division.  As a result, a lot of maintenance that a Western military would do at depot level is done at the front, so Soviet vehicles prioritize being able to brute force maintenance with manpower and little else.

Concurrently with this, Soviet WWII doctrine had much closer tank-infantry cohesion. T 34's always try to have a bunch of infantry (preferably sub-machine gunners) hanging on. By the time we get out of WWII, USSR doctrine has a squad of infantry firmly established as part of tank platoons, both for the maintenance capability and for combined arms.

If the American Abrams rolled with an autoloader, that'd be dropping the platoon size from 16 to 12 personnel, a very big difference in the platoon's ability to do things other than fight the tank (if you assume that the autoloader adds any extra maintenance, then those 12 are doing more than the 16 we before). With a soviet platoon, there's a whole squad of infantry rattling around who are already there to help with maintenance and dismount work.

Hence, the Soviets were much more ready to embrace autoloaders than the West. There's some other factors too, the Sovs were very big on making their turrets as small as possible, hence the tiny rounded things instead of big, boxy western styles.
 
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #1344 on: February 17, 2017, 05:47:23 am »

That's interesting, but then wouldn't making tanks with autoloaders go against the "simple stuff fixed with more warm bodies" thing?
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« Reply #1345 on: February 17, 2017, 05:56:22 am »

Yep. I'm not sure exactly how much work they did to get them reliable and unit serviceable, or if it's just something Russian tankers deal with.
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #1346 on: February 17, 2017, 09:07:04 am »

Britain is finally starting to feel the Brexit's inevitable economic consequences. It should prove a good example to all other countries who want to leave EU as to what would happen to them. The EU will grow stronger!
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« Reply #1347 on: February 17, 2017, 09:15:57 am »

Honestly, I would wait before calling doom and gloom on this.
They are not out yet and this does not seem overly dramatic.

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« Reply #1348 on: February 17, 2017, 10:36:21 am »

Well, someone needs to spread the "doom and gloom" on this issue, because it is vital for integrity of the Union for anyone who leaves it to be in a very sorry state, as to demonstrate the folly of all these "exit" movements. United we stand, divided we fall. The Union must stand supreme.

EDIT: A very interesting poll from Levada "Foreign agent according to Russian government" Center on how modern Russians evaluate rulers of its country, starting from Nikolai II and ending with Putin.


(apparently the img doesn't work for it, so here's a direct link)

Putin is at first place in sum of all positive responses, as expected, but second place is... interesting - Brezhnev, of the "stagnation" fame, holds it. Reagan-style nostalgia?
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« Reply #1349 on: February 18, 2017, 02:28:28 am »

Meanwhile, Turkey has been very busy breaching international law, by creating hordes of stateless people.
Any Turk living outside of Turkey who critisizes the Turkish government, will be recalled to Turkey to be trialed as a Gülen supporter. If they do not return to Turkey within 3 months, their Turkish nationality is revoked. Not just Gülen sympatisants are targeted. Kurds, journalists and scientists working abroad have found themselves forced to apply for asylum as a stateless person.
Dutch immigration service reports many work permits turning into asylum requests now.
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