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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #1200 on: December 21, 2016, 03:55:54 am »

Russia, Turkey and Iran have had negotiations over Syria. The Iranian guard watched the Turkish guard, just in case.

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Also, here's another video of the assassination. You can see how the murderer tried to keep his cool before *slowly* pulling out the gun.
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #1202 on: December 21, 2016, 01:50:43 pm »

Erdogan officially accused the Gülen movement (and indirectly with it, the US) for the murder of th Russian diplomat.

Makes sense. Guy kills ambassador screaming don't forget Aleppo, but it it was a Gülenist who has nothing to do with Aleppo. Suuuure.
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #1203 on: December 21, 2016, 02:18:57 pm »

Erdogan officially accused the Gülen movement (and indirectly with it, the US) for the murder of th Russian diplomat.

Makes sense. Guy kills ambassador screaming don't forget Aleppo, but it it was a Gülenist who has nothing to do with Aleppo. Suuuure.

That's just what the Gülenists want you to think! There are enemies everywhere martinuzz, you've got to think like them to beat them.

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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #1204 on: December 21, 2016, 03:18:58 pm »

Erdogan officially accused the Gülen movement (and indirectly with it, the US) for the murder of th Russian diplomat.

Makes sense. Guy kills ambassador screaming don't forget Aleppo, but it it was a Gülenist who has nothing to do with Aleppo. Suuuure.

That's just what the Gülenists want you to think! There are enemies everywhere martinuzz, you've got to think like them to beat them.

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Ooh, so you mean Mexico wants us to believe that it's the Mossad who wants us to believe that it's the Belgians who want us to believe that it's not the Australians that want us to believe that it's IS that wants us to believe that it was or wasn't Putin?
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #1205 on: December 21, 2016, 08:43:30 pm »

After Berlin's incident at the Christmas Market, the other day (somewhat personal, given that I knew the streets involved, although it was never Christmas time when I was there), I've now observed armed police (as well as the regular bunch, being much more visible than usual) deployed to stroll around both the city-centre and the out-of-town shopping centre in pairs, here in the UK.
The connection seems obvious. We don't (out here in the provinces, at least) often see these guys walking round our British streets, and I've never noticed them in the latter locale. These serious-looking guys don't get deployed on a whim.
I wouldn't go so far as to say there's a credible threat, but maybe a credible fear, enough to make those in charge think it's less worrying for people to see them than it is to not see them. (Or, uncharitably, a political decision to make people think the situation is such that this is what they should be thinking.)
They get deployed when an imminent attack is likely. Ergo there is a credible threat. Realistically there is always a credible threat, however in lieu of recent attacks, more security usually gets deployed to cover more corners with countermeasures in the event of accomplices, imitators or individual units enjoying the chaos to attack. The UK tends to stay at substantial, as there is usually a risk of Islamists or Republicans attacking something somewhere at any moment, whilst we're now at severe meaning there is good reason to believe an attack is highly likely. There is only one higher security alert, which is one that means an attack is expected (last used before the 7/7 bombings occurred). The threat is assessed based off of capabilities, terrorist activity and whatever intelligence they have access to that we don't, and from what they're looking at, it's very easy to gain access to a vehicle like a lorry, terrorist activity is high throughout the continent and the timespan of Christmas markets and festivals makes for vulnerable soft targets where mass casualties can occur. Thus the armed police would ensure casualties are minimized in the event of an attack. What is also more severe is how terrorists have changed their tactics from elaborate plans for mass casualties requiring much communication (that can be intercepted) to just having people run around with machetes, guns and trucks, which greatly reduces the response time possible for security forces. Thus by placing security forces at likely targets, police can maximize the chance that their response time will be minutes or better.

I don't think I've seen so many police firearms in one day since the day I happened to be wandering through the back streets of London to avoid a particularly rowdy anti-capitalism march in central London and happened to pass by an obvious staging post for backup patrols of various types (riot, equine, firearms, paramedics... no firefighters though), waiting to see if they were needed. (And they almost certainly weren't, despite how the march later turned out on the news.)
I imagine that the DefCon level is similarly raised all over, this week, across Europe as a whole.
The London Olympics had more, much much more. Chances are this is mostly all for show, as if you have armed police directing road blocks and civilian traffic in an orderly fashion, they will feel safe that they can go to Christmas market without being run over by lorries, thus will have an altogether enjoyable time and help ensure society runs in an ordinary fashion

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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #1206 on: December 21, 2016, 08:49:38 pm »

Erdogan officially accused the Gülen movement (and indirectly with it, the US) for the murder of th Russian diplomat.

Makes sense. Guy kills ambassador screaming don't forget Aleppo, but it it was a Gülenist who has nothing to do with Aleppo. Suuuure.
It's so that when they get called on it by their good friends the Russians they can say 'hey you're right' and then seem reasonable for doubling down on Middle East for next 15 years.

Or just the more basic 'hey look The Enemy! Hate them!'
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #1207 on: December 22, 2016, 03:24:26 am »



I UK stuff moved to the Non-EU thread already? :p
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #1208 on: December 23, 2016, 04:41:38 pm »

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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #1209 on: December 23, 2016, 04:59:09 pm »

The UN Security Council just passed a resolution condemning Israeli settlement and demanding it stop, with the USA choosing to abstain instead of vetoing like they usually do. It's the security council instead of the general assembly, so it even actually means something.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/23/world/middleeast/israel-settlements-un-vote.html?_r=0
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-palestinians-un-idUSKBN14C1IV
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #1210 on: December 23, 2016, 05:08:34 pm »

I don't know how anybody can be surprised. The Israeli government takes our money and then thumbs their nose at us, starts all sorts of shit between our alliances and then condemns us for not supporting them more. Things have been moving this way for a while now.
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #1211 on: December 23, 2016, 05:09:33 pm »

I don't know how anybody can be surprised. The Israeli government takes our money and then thumbs their nose at us, starts all sorts of shit between our alliances and then condemns us for not supporting them more. Things have been moving this way for a while now.

And I couldn't be happier. Even if Trump reverses this policy once he takes office, as he has implied he will do, this opens the way for putting pressure on Israel as well as what's already on Palestine to abandon the hardline stance it takes just because they can get away with it and move toward an actual peace.
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #1212 on: December 23, 2016, 05:20:04 pm »

I don't know how anybody can be surprised. The Israeli government takes our money and then thumbs their nose at us, starts all sorts of shit between our alliances and then condemns us for not supporting them more. Things have been moving this way for a while now.

What sort of shit Israel started between American alliances?
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #1213 on: December 24, 2016, 04:39:49 am »

The UN Security Council just passed a resolution condemning Israeli settlement and demanding it stop, with the USA choosing to abstain instead of vetoing like they usually do. It's the security council instead of the general assembly, so it even actually means something.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/23/world/middleeast/israel-settlements-un-vote.html?_r=0
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-palestinians-un-idUSKBN14C1IV
Oy vey, Obama has reversed decades of USA policy re: Israel in the last month of his Presidency, quite a bold move. In other news, Trump has just became the Defender of the Jewish nation.
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #1214 on: December 24, 2016, 05:30:16 am »

"Bold"  :D
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