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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #705 on: July 15, 2016, 07:50:04 pm »

There's new explosions in Ankara, and gunfire in Istanbul.
CNN Turk has gone blackscreen, after the last broadcasted images were of military asking the presentator to go away.
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« Reply #706 on: July 15, 2016, 07:53:27 pm »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO0g09LfbNQ

sounds like fighting at cnn

and ya that video was bad
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« Reply #707 on: July 15, 2016, 07:54:02 pm »

This is how under control the situation is...


Jesus, the gore looks so over the top that it looks like something out a film.
We are not used to it because our media is usually really quick to filter that away from our sensitive eyes. Probably for the better.
The victims in Nice looked like that too, and worse, without the blankets.

Not sure if those people in that video got run over by a tank though. Perhaps gunfire from an attack helicopter does that kind of damage?

I wonder how Erdogan's doing atm. Last thing CNN Turk reported before the military entered was that he was landing at Istanbul. There's been no sign of life since.

EDIT: there's reports that after a firefight between police and military at the Taksim square, military have surrendered to the police there.
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #708 on: July 15, 2016, 08:02:00 pm »

The Turk who tried to stop the tank going 30 with his face
RIP
If we're talking about the same guy (I thought it was a white truck, not a tank? Was it about 1:10 into a webm?), then I have absolutely no sympathy for someone who gambles with their life along 'Hah, they won't dare to actually run over me' lines. Like, mate, you are severely overestimating how important you are to anyone who is not you or your mother.
I think that gamble works better when the driver can actually see you, otherwise it's not a gamble, it's more akin to standing in front of a train with a blindfolded operator
Reminds me of that American girl who lay down in front of some IDF Bulldozer, ignoring that the driver couldn't see her and so wasn't aware she existed - people actually blamed the poor driver who couldn't have acted differently!

Tankman worked cos the tank driver could see him
At night and in battle conditions, don't risk it with giant fast moving tanks, I sympathize with their desire to stand for what they believe in, but you can't stand against 70 tons of steel and hasty officers who don't know you're about to be in their way, physics > romanticism

Who did the Turkish Navy side with on a tangent

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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #709 on: July 15, 2016, 08:04:45 pm »

Apparently Erdogan's plane has taken off again after explosions at Atatürk Airport
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #710 on: July 15, 2016, 08:07:02 pm »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO0g09LfbNQ

sounds like fighting at cnn

and ya that video was bad
Someone's back on camera there
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« Reply #711 on: July 15, 2016, 08:08:42 pm »

He's soooo high on adrenaline
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« Reply #713 on: July 15, 2016, 08:14:38 pm »

The crowd outside CNN got eerily quiet after the guy on screen ran away in terror
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« Reply #714 on: July 15, 2016, 08:22:59 pm »

The crowd outside CNN got eerily quiet after the guy on screen ran away in terror

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« Reply #715 on: July 15, 2016, 08:28:53 pm »

Numune hospital in Istanbul reports 150 wounded have been brought in
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #716 on: July 15, 2016, 08:38:59 pm »

Erdogan talking about how this was a God sent opportunity to purge the army

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« Reply #717 on: July 15, 2016, 08:40:35 pm »

"Coup attempt will be reason to clean up army"
"This event (coup) is the grace of God. We will cleanse traitors from within TSK" -Erdogan.
I'm beginning to think the idea of this coup as a false flag operation in order to gain more power makes more and more sense. He happened to be out of the country when it happened. And now he's returned long before the situation is under control risking himself far more than is necessary or wise. This whole thing was badly handled by the coup forces shockingly badly in fact. No major political leaders arrested, no internet shutoff. This whole thing was either a badly planned but very well equipped coup or an effort to cleanse the military of those who would oppose a more authoritarian state. A pleasant side effect for Erdogan is the galvanizing of his supporters.

I'm not much for conspiracy theories but I feel this one might be more credible than most. Though ultimately it's hard to know what's really happening through the confusion.
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« Reply #718 on: July 15, 2016, 08:43:25 pm »

I cant add it up. I can follow live how bombs hit the parliament every 10 min or so from a jet, while just a short flight away Erdogan lands and declares himself the winner, after having orbited nearby for hours.

Had air defense remained loyal, they'd have shot planes down. If air force had, they would not have bombed. If even parts of the air force did, why do we still not have reports of aircraft shot down? How did Ergodan manage to live?

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I'm not much for conspiracy theories but I feel this one might be more credible than most. Though ultimately it's hard to know what's really happening through the confusion.

Yeah I too discussed this with friends and a lot of the story is definitely in the dark still.
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #719 on: July 15, 2016, 08:45:55 pm »

Erdogan's hotel bombed shortly after he left

I'm not sure about Erdogan orchestrating this coup, but he may have known more about their coup plans than they did - controlled opposition
All speculation until the dust settles
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