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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #960 on: September 18, 2016, 02:39:57 pm »

It appears that the United Russia (the party of our Evil Overlord, Putin) has less than 50% (about 45%, according to very preliminary (10% of votes counted) results) of total votes, which makes it theoretically possible to be blocked in parliament by a coalition of other parties.

However, the four current runner ups are nationalists (LDPR) with 18%, communists (KPRF) with 17%, "modernized socialists" (Just Russia) with 6% and more communists ("Communists of Russia") with 2.9%, with none of the 5 liberal/democratic parties getting even close to 5%.

Based on this, here are my words:
1) This is why you don't go all "purity politics" - by splitting the vote, they ensured their complete failure.
2) Currently existing opposition to Putin in Russia is mostly based in nationalism and communism, which is basically equivalent to nationalism in its current form.

Of course, the results may change as more votes are counted, but the overall picture will most likely stay the same.
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« Reply #961 on: September 18, 2016, 02:43:58 pm »

It appears that the United Russia (the party of our Evil Overlord, Putin) has less than 50% (about 45%, according to very preliminary (10% of votes counted) results) of total votes, which makes it theoretically possible to be blocked in parliament by a coalition of other parties.

However, the four current runner ups are nationalists (LDPR) with 18%, communists (KPRF) with 17%, "modernized socialists" (Just Russia) with 6% and more communists ("Communists of Russia") with 2.9%, with none of the 5 liberal/democratic parties getting even close to 5%.

Based on this, here are my words:
1) This is why you don't go all "purity politics" - by splitting the vote, they ensured their complete failure.
2) Currently existing opposition to Putin in Russia is mostly based in nationalism and communism, which is basically equivalent to nationalism in its current form.

Of course, the results may change as more votes are counted, but the overall picture will most likely stay the same.

Excuse me, comrade Sergarr, but why LDPR is nationalist party?
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #962 on: September 18, 2016, 02:49:17 pm »


Excuse me, comrade Sergarr, but why LDPR is nationalist party?

One of the campaign slogans I saw in the previous month was "Stop humiliating Russians!" in big letters painted on a side of a bus. Seems pretty nationalistic to me.
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« Reply #963 on: September 18, 2016, 03:53:15 pm »


Excuse me, comrade Sergarr, but why LDPR is nationalist party?

One of the campaign slogans I saw in the previous month was "Stop humiliating Russians!" in big letters painted on a side of a bus. Seems pretty nationalistic to me.

I remember seeing photo of " LDPR, For Dagestan, for dagestanians!"( or however it is spelled in english)
on billboard in Dagestan. Quite probably all parties except Yabloko have ,, We are for russians! " in their rhetorics.
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #964 on: September 18, 2016, 04:34:35 pm »

We are talking about a party lead by a man who has openly called for using nukes to create tsunamis that will destroy Turkey, mass deportation of Chechens, and literally copying Donald Trump's wall.

And that's just recently!
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #965 on: September 18, 2016, 04:40:04 pm »

We are talking about a party lead by a man who has openly called for using nukes to create tsunamis that will destroy Turkey, mass deportation of Chechens, and literally copying Donald Trump's wall.

And that's just recently!
And he got 18% of votes. Khe. Khe. (theoretically, because in Russia they can write any kind of results)

It appears that the United Russia (the party of our Evil Overlord, Putin) has less than 50% (about 45%, according to very preliminary (10% of votes counted) results) of total votes, which makes it theoretically possible to be blocked in parliament by a coalition of other parties.
Well, United Russia got 45% of half of parliament. Another half comes from majoritarian election and proportions will be very different.
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #966 on: September 18, 2016, 05:45:09 pm »

Minister of Pornography: a post where you can dump your party rivals, safe in the knowledge they will fail any leadership bid put to party members.
"It was then that the Minister of Pornography Neil Guerrero realized he could blackmail every single Minister in office into doing what he wanted by threatening to release their internet search history. All except Gavin, who has no shame."
"Plus the four of you using Tor, i2p, and incognito browsing to keep uploading our homegrown porn back to the rest of the internet, god bless you all."
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« Reply #967 on: September 18, 2016, 05:47:56 pm »

We are talking about a party lead by a man who has openly called for using nukes to create tsunamis that will destroy Turkey, mass deportation of Chechens, and literally copying Donald Trump's wall.

And that's just recently!

However, he calls his party liberal-democratical.
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« Reply #968 on: September 18, 2016, 07:54:41 pm »


So, looks like after the "elections" Russian "parliament" will look like this. More than 2\3rds for Putin's party. Praise controlled democracy
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #969 on: September 18, 2016, 07:56:43 pm »

We are talking about a party lead by a man who has openly called for using nukes to create tsunamis that will destroy Turkey, mass deportation of Chechens, and literally copying Donald Trump's wall.

And that's just recently!

However, he calls his party liberal-democratical.
Ah, so that's where ol' Cleggy went!
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« Reply #970 on: September 18, 2016, 07:56:48 pm »

The people's patriotic will succeeds again.
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #971 on: September 18, 2016, 08:19:48 pm »

As disturbing as Putin is, the LDPR growing in popularity looks worse, since they appear to be outright mustache-twirlingly fascist. I'm also not sure how Russia's nature reserve of communists would do at the helm. The only significant sane party looks like it would be CP, but it's always hard to tell as an outsider looking in.
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #972 on: September 19, 2016, 04:56:58 am »

Ohhh yeah. I wonder whose idea it was to give 225 positions out of 450 (i.e. half) under a "first-past-the-post" system, when there's one clearly dominant party ::)
As disturbing as Putin is, the LDPR growing in popularity looks worse, since they appear to be outright mustache-twirlingly fascist.
It's better to describe them as very populist. Since fascism is currently pretty popular, that's what they appear to be.
I'm also not sure how Russia's nature reserve of communists would do at the helm.
Their leader has said that it would be better for Russia if the pro-USSR military coup in 1991 (which, thankfully due to the sanity of contemporary USSR military, only killed 3 people) succeeded, during the 25th anniversary of said coup, so very, very shitty.
The only significant sane party looks like it would be CP, but it's always hard to tell as an outsider looking in.
Well, yeah, I guess. I haven't heard anything bad about them. Though, not anything good, either. They're kind of small. The party's leader, Mironov, is also not in the Official List of Alternatives to Putin (which, btw, all suck in various ways, according to surprisingly non-trolling comments), which means that our Big Opposition figure sitting in the West, Khodorkovsky, does not support him for President.

Probably because Mironov is a filthy lefty.
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #973 on: September 19, 2016, 05:13:08 am »

Seeing such control of the electoral system is kinda awe-inspiring. Thanks god I cannot imagine Trump being half as competent.
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« Reply #974 on: September 19, 2016, 06:14:18 am »

Seeing such control of the electoral system is kinda awe-inspiring. Thanks god I cannot imagine Trump being half as competent.
It is not like Putin had that strong established tradition  to break for achieving this control.
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