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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #900 on: August 26, 2016, 07:03:42 pm »

Are the National Bolsheviks still a thing? Their flag should be the page image for Poe's Law on ATT.
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #901 on: August 26, 2016, 07:05:06 pm »

I was kidding, you guys  ::)
Hey, at least I learned, in the process of Googling information on parties in Russia, that there are apparently no less than five different liberal parties in Russia that are running for elections this year! And they all hate each other's guts so much that they can't even unite together in the face of the Ultimate Evil Dictator (i.e. Putin).

Also, three different communistic parties is also an item of hilarity, but less so.
Are the National Bolsheviks still a thing? Their flag should be the page image for Poe's Law on ATT.
Yes, but they're banned. They're not running for this election, thank God for that.
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #902 on: August 26, 2016, 10:44:52 pm »

Do I make the obvious Life of Brian joke or the slightly more difficult communism sucks joke?
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« Reply #903 on: August 26, 2016, 11:04:52 pm »

Are the National Bolsheviks still a thing? Their flag should be the page image for Poe's Law on ATT.
:o ??? ::) :P  :-X

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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #904 on: August 27, 2016, 01:14:37 am »

Are the National Bolsheviks still a thing? Their flag should be the page image for Poe's Law on ATT.
:o ??? ::) :P :-X

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Might be banned in just as many countries by pro-communist laws.
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #905 on: August 27, 2016, 02:40:52 am »

Yes, Russia still has elections.  They're even mostly fair; irregularities tend to be more along the lines of disproportionate media access for preferred candidates and strict candidate registration requirements that inhibit competitors than actual ballot-stuffing.  That's one of the most depressing things about his present foreign policies; Putin, and to a slightly lesser degree his party as a whole, really does have a popular mandate in the eyes of people who view him as giving them their pride back and, for those who haven't forgotten Yeltsin and the 1990s, putting food on their plates and "putting the oligarchs in their place".  Domestically, his foreign adventurism is a selling point, not a weakness.

Yes, Russia still has elections.  They're even mostly fair; irregularities tend to be more along the lines of disproportionate media access for preferred candidates and strict candidate registration requirements that inhibit competitors than actual ballot-stuffing.  That's one of the most depressing things about his present foreign policies; Putin, and to a slightly lesser degree his party as a whole, really does have a popular mandate in the eyes of people who view him as giving them their pride back and, for those who haven't forgotten Yeltsin and the 1990s, putting food on their plates and "putting the oligarchs in their place".  Domestically, his foreign adventurism is a selling point, not a weakness.

Yeah, that's why they call Russia a managed democracy rather than a dictatorship. The elections are relatively clean (outside of some smaller republics like Tchetchenia), but the political process is carefully managed to make anything but a government victory all but impossible. Media is carefully controlled, fake opposition parties are created to split the vote (Like the Rodina block) and prominent opposition figures that could pose a risk drops dead from time to time, leaving a ineffective squabbling mess in their place.

Of the four parties currently in the Duma, you have Putin's United Russia, the far-right LDPR (Generally supportive of the executive), a Just Russia (Made from the former puppet party Rodina block and a bunch of other party, although it does vote against Putin sometimes) and the former Communists.

Edit: Re-reading about a Just Russia's formation, I find the similarities with the way the Soviets forced all leftists parties into Communist-dominated fronts in the occupied countries of Eastern Europe striking.

P.S. To be clear, all these shenanigans don't dispute the fact that UR does have popular support, as I said, it's not a dictatorship, it's a managed democracy.
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« Reply #906 on: August 27, 2016, 02:54:49 am »

National bolsheviks leader is kinda weird dude.

In his book ,, Titans " you can find stuff like  :
-New chronology  rules ( new chronology is sort of historical teaching made by one mathematician academic, who went into history. We can sum it up as : I calculated some stuff, all the history is fake, Golden Horde was province of Kievan Rus, Aristotle lived somewhere near Novgorod in 16 th century, math proves that, yes.) .
- Darwin theory is primitive and fake and any person with tiny bit of brain understands, that we were created by supreme beings. And there is nothing special about Darwin, he is just overrated.

How does he make people follow him and go for him into warzone is something I dont understand.
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #907 on: August 27, 2016, 04:44:39 am »

And all of them get free ads and debate hours! IIRC, the debates are actually mandatory this time, and they're going to be carried out very often. I can only imagine the decibel of yells that will be getting thrown over there, with the amount of "communist/nationalist vs liberal" match-ups that will inevitably come up.

Liberals during the debates have so far:
1. explicitly accused Putin of stealing Russian budget money and giving it to oligarchs,
2. openly called for impeachment of Putin,
all of that on live TV. In a real authoritarian dictatorship they wouldn't be allowed anywhere near a TV camera.
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #908 on: August 27, 2016, 05:21:04 am »

Yeah, you can be a liberal, you just can't be an effective one. Of the leaders of the 2011 protests, Nemtsov was shot, Udaltsov is in jail, Kasparov in exile. Only Navalny still walk the street (He was actually sentenced to several years on trumped corruption charge, but the prosecutor decided to drop all charges once thousand of protesters showed up. His brother serve as hostage in the prison system and he's being harassed by the justice system).
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #909 on: September 03, 2016, 10:16:56 am »

Update on elections in Russia: I have just discovered and retrieved a propaganda flyer in my mailbox, from "Yabloko". Apparently they pose themselves as a "united democratic" party, despite being just one of the 4-5 democratic/liberal parties in this election (out of 14 total). Hmmm...

They sure have some choice words to rally people, though:
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We intend to return Russia to its historical course of development, which is inextricably linked with European civilization, with its democratic values, with its respect for the people, with their rights, their freedom and their choices.

It's a single real path that leads to both material and moral well-being for the people, and all other "special and sovereign" vacillations in clips of false patriotism - is a path which doesn't exist. More and more people in Russia understand this. And they should have their own party in Duma!
Also, print volume is 3 200 000, printed in 22 August 2016, in St. Petersburg. Such oppression of anti-government media, wow.
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #910 on: September 03, 2016, 02:09:12 pm »

Wow, that's the most long-winded nothing I've ever read. Amazing!
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #911 on: September 03, 2016, 02:31:12 pm »

Wow, that's the most long-winded nothing I've ever read. Amazing!
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« Reply #913 on: September 03, 2016, 06:43:12 pm »

> Police oficial spokesmen
> wants AT LEAST 5 years for this mens blasphemy, so he becomes example for others
> 5 years FOR BLASPHEMY for playing games on mobile phone

How did we make it from oficial atheism to police charging people for blasphemy in just 25 years? HOW?
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« Reply #914 on: September 03, 2016, 07:25:36 pm »

My vision of the situation:

Russians are as atheist as they were few decades ago and few care about "blasphemy"  Russian Orthodox church is nothing but a division of Russian secret service used to influence a small percentage of religious people.

Going against the church IS going against the state(read FSB\KGB junta that rules Russia). This is why any attack on the church is punished.
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