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[Descan]

According to the surviving Russian pilot, it sounds like they didn't get any communication from Turkey, not even 'you're approaching Turkish airspace.'

What would be nice is confirmation of the crash site and radar data from a third or maybe even fourth party.

I don't think there are any "third" parties that are realistically capable of doing that.

INB4 Daesh provides the confirmation

[scriver]

That is why I am proud when Russians call me a neo-nazi or fascist. In their twisted world everything has opposite meaning.

Sooo... You're a communist?

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Fascists and communists have so many simmilar attributes that they can't be direct opposite

[miljan]

Small protests in turkey because of the journalists arrested that posted about turkey supplying terrorists in syria

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1r7mHA4t7XU

[martinuzz]

Fascists and communists have so many simmilar attributes that they can't be direct opposite

Since fascism has nationalism as one of it's main pillars, while communism is oriented at internationalism, you can very well call them opposites.

[nenjin]

International Communism doesn't seem to be part of any government communist policy these days.

[miljan]

Unfortunately there was never a real communist government out there. All of them were corrupt dictators that abused the system.

[WealthyRadish]

Maybe if Trotsky had beaten Stalin we'd have seen more international communism, but I'd say by then it was too authoritarian to be genuinely socialist anyway (if it was even possible under the circumstances).

[Loud Whispers]

Unfortunately there was never a real communist government out there. All of them were corrupt dictators that abused the system.

So communism; strike down aristocrats, get some mandatory reeducation and in the wake of hundreds of millions dead install bureaucrats in lieu of aristocrats? 10/10 would grow mustache again

Fascists and communists have so many simmilar attributes that they can't be direct opposite

Since fascism has nationalism as one of it's main pillars, while communism is oriented at internationalism, you can very well call them opposites.

Only so far as communism treating the world as its country

http://lenta.ru/news/2015/11/27/zhirinovski/ 

Well, the leader of liberal-democratical party suggests nuking Stambul.
Most liberally-democratical way of solving problems.

Google translated version

To be more precise, he wants to nuke the Bosporus strait to try and create a tsunami that will flood Istanbul along with the usual destruction that a nuke would cause.

Don't shit on your doorstep

[Rolepgeek]

From what I've seen, the problem with communism is that it only works if everyone wants to take part in it. Works fine at small scales, plenty of Communes have cropped up, usually only being quashed by outside forces who felt uncomfortable with their practices or the like. If you try and make someone work, but don't suspend 'pay' if they refuse, then they won't want to work.

Capitalism, if people don't want to participate, they're (usually) screwed. Communism, if people don't want to participate, the system's (usually) screwed.

[misko27]

I mean under a certain definition you could probably point to the Jacobins as the closest to international communism in the sense of "EXPORT THE REVOLUTION" that they seemed to have going on. Certainly nothing after the start of the Fourth International, as that is already when communism was irreversibly co-opted by the Other Man of Steel.

Russia Putin & CO seem to be also using all possible PR value from the incident.

That's because it looks bad. ]They need to make it look better. If something like this happened to the US, people would be like "Look at Obama, always letting the terrorists shoot down our jets." Putin doesn't want Russians to think he is soft on people who blow up their jets (being anti-obama in that respect is literally his thing), and honestly he hasn't done an overly good job. If I was a very right-wing russian, I for one would be going "so kebab literally declared war, and our military response is holding up turkish food in customs? Fuck that nonsense."

[SirQuiamus]

Russia has removed Turkey from the premises.

[Erkki]

I mean under a certain definition you could probably point to the Jacobins as the closest to international communism in the sense of "EXPORT THE REVOLUTION" that they seemed to have going on. Certainly nothing after the start of the Fourth International, as that is already when communism was irreversibly co-opted by the Other Man of Steel.

Russia Putin & CO seem to be also using all possible PR value from the incident.

That's because it looks bad. ]They need to make it look better. If something like this happened to the US, people would be like "Look at Obama, always letting the terrorists shoot down our jets." Putin doesn't want Russians to think he is soft on people who blow up their jets (being anti-obama in that respect is literally his thing), and honestly he hasn't done an overly good job. If I was a very right-wing russian, I for one would be going "so kebab literally declared war, and our military response is holding up turkish food in customs? Fuck that nonsense."

Yes, but Russians really have astonishingly high standards of quality required from food. So high, that many imported products dont meet them. Luckily, the quality of imports is monitored closely. First they found Polish meat was inconsumable as food, then Belgian and Finnish dairy products, now Turkish tomatoes!

[Bouchart]

Russia has removed Turkey from the premises.

The Sultanate Vanishes: The Falsification of Maps in Putin's Russia

[Sheb]

I must say I'm getting quite a lot of Schadenfreude from seeing our Russians forumites being outraged now that they are the one at the recieving end of a egomaniacal sabre-rattling autocrat.