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Author Topic: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)  (Read 272265 times)

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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #2175 on: October 18, 2023, 05:13:12 pm »

Didn't the defence minister self congratulate before deleting the tweet?  idk I'm not active on twitter

That was a random Israeli journalist (EDIT: actually a digital aide to Netanyahu, I was wrong, but still) who retracted his statement publicly. Not the state of Israel. Anyone saying Israel took credit for the hospital strike is wrong. Though in general it seems Israel's PR team isn't doing a great job in other ways.

I saw the pictures of the damage released by Palestinian authorities, and... yeah. It is nowhere close to a hospiral being levelled by a bomb. It was a courtyard of cars in the complex being caught in a blaze. No structural damage to any buildings visible. I cannot imagine there are anything remotely close to five hundred casualties from this. Perhaps except if they were packed like sardines in the parking lot, for some reason, but even that strains credulity.

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« Reply #2176 on: October 18, 2023, 05:59:02 pm »

Last I saw the actual count being claimed by the hospital (or something along those lines, forget the exact group claiming it) was closer to 300; the initial reporting was (because they're shits) exaggerating the number, even beyond however much it might have been inflated by difficulty or unwillingness to get an accurate count. It's really goddamn hard to tell anything about that particular mass death event right now, though. There's a lot of misinformation flying around about it, like holy shit amounts.

There apparently was folks packed in like sardines, though, least as far as people seem to be able to tell. Areas in northern gaza in particular that are still standing and seen as relatively (if not entirely) safe from bombardment are getting a lot of people trying to shelter in and around them.
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #2177 on: October 18, 2023, 06:39:35 pm »

Besides being a bomb shelter for civilians (meaning: less likely to be bombed in a region where there are no bomb shelters), that hospital would also have been a logistics hub for relief organizations.
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #2178 on: October 18, 2023, 06:59:24 pm »

I saw the pictures of the damage released by Palestinian authorities, and... yeah. It is nowhere close to a hospiral being levelled by a bomb. It was a courtyard of cars in the complex being caught in a blaze. No structural damage to any buildings visible. I cannot imagine there are anything remotely close to five hundred casualties from this. Perhaps except if they were packed like sardines in the parking lot, for some reason, but even that strains credulity.

Palestinian health officials now say that at least 471 people were killed by an explosion at a hospital in Gaza City on Tuesday night.

Packed like sardines sounds about right to the situation they're describing when it happened. There was reportedly several thousand people trying to shelter on the hospital grounds. Apparently the courtyard was where they were keeping many people, including elderly and infirm, to keep the inside of the hospital for emergencies. (The explosion also triggered a large fire, so it's not like the claim is they were all just killed in the explosion itself).
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« Reply #2179 on: October 19, 2023, 12:50:05 am »

Look, the only time Ukraine suffered comparable civilian casualties in one strike was when Mariupol Drama Theater was destroyed with people using it as a bomb shelter. Estimates are hundreds.  (fun fact: Amnesty International claims that it was "12 likely  more". I love those guys. )

Other strikes were nowhere that deadly. A ballistic missile hitting a busy railway station full of civilians trying to evacuate resulted in 63 killed 150 wounded.

I need extraordinary evidence for an extraordinary claim of 471 killed (and by all logic, 1000+ wounded), it sounds like total bullshit
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #2180 on: October 19, 2023, 05:36:19 am »

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-14/the-yes-and-no-cases-for-the-voice/102972172

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What you are doing is applying the argument a small group of progressives used to explain why they voted against it, in my opinion the wrong way to vote. The potential necessity of review by the courts for legality was the only serious argument I saw in this likely incomplete summary from that bunch. Yes, one of the core functions of the judiciary. The existence of advisory boards isn't an inherently scary thing; even with policy boards I'd assume it's more important is who is on it and why rather than that it's a bureaucratic method, and I don't buy the argument that this one would somehow be made up of antagonistic forces. I'm pretty much done with this though, this has been settled already.

Here's what looks like a reasonable source:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/denying-the-grave/202212/who-is-most-vulnerable-misinformation
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You asked for proof, so here is a more formal one, unless I am supposed to do my own scientific studies:

https://misinforeview.hks.harvard.edu/article/right-and-left-partisanship-predicts-asymmetric-vulnerability-to-misinformation/

So if you take the time to read the essay above, you'll see that both the right and left are more susceptible than moderates who are not immune but less effected. Conservatives, of course, moreso but not as big a difference as I had thought. Now we had here a referendum that both the wings opposed (which in the left's case was smaller but likely crippling to the vote even with only a small faction swaying towards no) for different reasons but to the same end. It's well known such information campaigns exist and have for quite a while. Here's an article from 2018 on studies in 2016 to 2017, presumably suggesting they had already been well established by then. That's a long time to be wondering why the public is slowly being driven insane if a person didn't already know.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06930-7
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #2181 on: October 19, 2023, 10:34:23 am »


Though in general it seems Israel's PR team isn't doing a great job in other ways.

They certainly are not. Earlier today the main Dutch news sites broke the news that there is a Dutch citizen among the people that were kidnapped.

It's a few hours later now and the news sites have corrected the story it turns out the guy was given Dutch citizenship this week because it would be an opportunity to rally international support for the Israeli cause.

https://nos.nl/collectie/13959/artikel/2494641-gegijzelde-ofir-18-tot-nederlander-gemaakt-om-internationale-druk-op-te-voeren

There is this type of bullshit from both sides. Despite the propaganda I was happy to learn the vast majority of people here refuse to pick a side in this battle, about 60 percent don't. It's a lot of innocent people, like this kidnapped kid being caught in a battle between extremists on both sides.

Edit: news has been updated saying that the process for Dutch citizenship was at least started before he got kidnapped, but was sped up for aforementioned reasons



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« Reply #2182 on: October 19, 2023, 11:48:03 am »

My dutch Volkskrant newspaper indeed now reports about it in their live blog, saying that he was granted dutch citizenship after being kidnapped, because of family ties.
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« Reply #2183 on: October 19, 2023, 12:07:22 pm »

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« Reply #2184 on: October 19, 2023, 02:28:43 pm »

A US Navy warship operating in the Middle East intercepted multiple projectiles near the coast of Yemen, two US officials told CNN

Hm... Projectiles? Perhaps Iranian ballistic missiles that were launched at Israel?

Also, we may need a thread for the Middle Eastern war (or just make a proper ww3 one)
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« Reply #2185 on: October 19, 2023, 04:08:45 pm »

Iranian ballistic missiles are unlikely to have enough reach as to hit Israel
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« Reply #2186 on: October 19, 2023, 06:17:10 pm »

In Russia, over 200 lawyers have announced a strike, after 3 of Navalny's lawyers were arrested for 'assisting a criminal organisation'  last friday, and a 4th fled the country.
With their strike they will protest against the 'systematic obstruction' of their work by the Russian authorities.
They state that Navalny's lawyers are being accused of fake crimes, and that, just like in the Soviet Union, not only political opponents are imprisoned, but their lawyers as well.

The situation is best described by this cartoon:
https://twitter.com/dougf24/status/1356174056727445505
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« Reply #2187 on: October 19, 2023, 11:32:15 pm »

I don't think russia is gonna lose to a bunch of lawyers. but after russia wins, russia's vague aspirations to be free country if only slightly, will be fundamentally over.
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« Reply #2188 on: October 21, 2023, 12:38:10 pm »

Israel cracks down on social media support for folk living in Gaza, including people losing their jobs and students being asked to leave their accommodation.

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… even when no criminal charges are filed, some people in Israel are still facing heavy consequences for their social media activity.

Lawyers working for Adalah say they have received more than 40 cases of Israeli Arab workers suspended or fired from their workplaces overnight.

"People are getting their livelihood threatened sometimes just for liking a post," says Salam Irsheid, a lawyer at the organisation. "We even have a case of a worker who is at risk of being fired for liking a news report on the situation in Gaza on social media."

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Lawyers from Adalah say they have received complaints from 83 students who have been suspended from schools across the country and, in some cases, told to leave their accommodation at short notice.

"None of the cases are about actions, demonstrations or participating in illegal things. They're all about posts on social media," says Dr Hassan Jabareen, the general director of Adalah.

It’s not limited to Arabs, either:

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Last Sunday, a prominent left-wing ultra-Orthodox Jewish journalist, Israel Frey, had to be escorted by police away from his home in Tel Aviv for his own protection.

Protesters had gathered outside the building and shot flares at his apartment after he posted on social media a video where he was praying for civilians in Gaza.

And on Wednesday, Ofer Cassif, a Jewish lawmaker for the Arab-led Hadash-Taal alliance, was suspended from the Israeli parliament for 45 days after he strongly condemned the bombing of Gaza.

In one of his most recent posts on X, formerly known as Twitter, he criticised the police who, he said, hadn't intervened promptly in Mr Frey's defence.

"Armed police forces are sent to arrest anyone who shows a trace of empathy for the massacres in Gaza," he wrote.

"But the police have no desire to protect a left-wing journalist whose life is in danger."

Settlers in the West Bank force Palestinians from their homes.

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The incident began when two armed settlers, accompanied by a soldier, attacked a home on the outskirts of the village, according to three residents including the homeowner.

"Three Israelis came to my house, they were armed, and one was wearing the uniform of the army," said Musab Rabai, 36.

"One of the settlers came into the house, pushed me and beat me on the head with the gun and told me he was going to shoot me."

Neighbours responded to Rabai's shouts for help, he said. Among them was Zakriha Adra, a father of four. Video footage filmed by Adra's cousin, Basel, shows the settler who allegedly beat Rabai and the Israeli soldier standing a short distance away from the group of Palestinian neighbours. The armed settler then suddenly approaches Adra, strikes him with his rifle and shoots him in the stomach from just a few feet away.

Throughout the encounter, Adra appears to be holding his arms by his sides in a non-threatening manner.

Israel razes a neighbourhood (after what appears to be 30 minutes notice to evacuate) and issued an evacuation notice for a hospital.

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Residents told the BBC that they had not expected the bombing as the area had been relatively calm. They said they were told to evacuate on Thursday evening at around 20:30 to 21:00 local time (17:30-18:00 GMT).

"We ran through the streets. then Israel started bombing this area non-stop, from 9pm to 7am this morning," one woman told the BBC on Friday.

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In northern Gaza, the Palestinian Red Crescent said Israeli forces had ordered the evacuation of the Al-Quds hospital.

The hospital is currently home to more than 400 patients and 12,000 displaced civilians, according to the Red Crescent.

The humanitarian organisation called on the "international community to act urgently".
A doctors' group, Physicians for Human Rights Israel, said it filed a petition to Israel's Supreme Court warning that Al-Quds hospital could not be evacuated.

"In its response, the state announced that it would not attack the hospital for the time being," the group said, as it warned against harming civilians during combat, violating international law, and damaging medical services.

Edit: Ha! Found the one I read yesterday about hate crimes in London.

Big increases:

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Speaking on Friday, Deputy Assistant Commissioner Ade Adelekan, the officer in charge of the policing operation, said the number of antisemitic and Islamophobic incidents had gone up 1,353% [from 15 to 218] and 140% [42 to 101] respectively.
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