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[Aseaheru]

 For now, anyways. it is a priority, but it is behind keeping everyone alive in general, atleast in my list.

[evilcherry]

(sigh)

Meat vat is nice, but I would like a lower upkeep option. How many people can we wake up in extra if we have the Meat vat, a biorecycler, and perhaps a more purpose-designed water filter system (other than pressing a chemical plant into water supply)?

[10ebbor10]

22 people.

We get 20 people support from the Meatvat, +2 from the fact that they won't be eating up cryo-resources anymore.

I'm willing to scrap the Meatvat, but all other options (except for the goop processor) are more resource intensive.

I suppose, we could order the factory to build something else, but I don't see what.

[evilcherry]

22 people.

We get 20 people support from the Meatvat, +2 from the fact that they won't be eating up cryo-resources anymore.

I'm willing to scrap the Meatvat, but all other options (except for the goop processor) are more resource intensive.

Lets see... Energy usage should be around 50 (anything above should ring a bell), I assume that they need food, air and water, which needs should be met by 5 more people. So there should be around another 10-15 men around. So its fine.

At this stage I think I'm willing to postpone energy rationalization plan for another cycle of extra labour (specifically, 1 turn for food supply, 1 turn for scrubbers, 1 turn for proper water filters), but I don't think I'll be happy to wait for another iteration.

Also if water is at a premium why bother working on banded iron?

[10ebbor10]

Energy rationalization plan?

On a side note, air is no problem. Our Algae system can sustain more than 50 people. Water and food is the trouble. Also space. We don't want a crew morale breakdown.

Also if water is at a premium why bother working on banded iron?

It shouldn't be at a premium. Neither should food, by the way.

[evilcherry]

Energy rationalization plan?

On a side note, air is no problem. Our Algae system can sustain more than 50 people. Water and food is the trouble. Also space. We don't want a crew morale breakdown.

Basically we need to migrate to a mix of Geothermal and hydro power to allow us to crack open the reactor. We shouldn't rely on a half-broken reactor running at 60% capacity, back from day 1 we knew its only running because its rugged enough.

I can understand water is a problem (but the chemical plant somehow does the job for the moment), and if Meat vat can increase morale then I couldn't disagree.

Space is bullshit, IMHO. We are working three shifts per cycle, we only need around 8-10 sleeping places, and a equal number of cots along the corridors between CCDomes should suffice. They are soldiers, they should just get over this. Not to mention that we should not encourage population increase (i.e. love-making) before we actually have tons of spare manpower to run around.

[Aseaheru]

 Where did you get the "everyones a soldier" thing from?

[VoidSlayer]

The biodiversity bay by itself allows use of animal and plant specimens (for example to create a bio dome, hydroponics or a meat vat) and to do genetic engineering, cloning and other life sciences research once a lab is built.

Food was only an issue last month due to a morale failure taking the hydroponics system down, otherwise you are close to straining your food supply, but not yet.

Right now the primary crew area is a hallway with bunk style crash beds built into the walls running between the rec commons and life support.  The only reason it doesn't have terrible penalties is the rec commons having enough room for general relaxation and eating and such.  The ship has cargo bays, life support systems and fusion reactors taking up all the space.

[tryrar]

I'm sticking to my plan since we already have greywater waste filtration with the chemical plant, and a full biodome is not needed.

[Amperzand]

If we have the potential to do it, and for some reason have yet to, I stick to the idea of putting small potted plants everywhere it's practical. It won't do much, but it can't but be good for morale, and it'll add a couple percent to our oxygen supply, all without costing us much.

[evilcherry]

If we have the potential to do it, and for some reason have yet to, I stick to the idea of putting small potted plants everywhere it's practical. It won't do much, but it can't but be good for morale, and it'll add a couple percent to our oxygen supply, all without costing us much.

Without sunlight they are an oxygen hog.

That's why i prefer some form of Aquaponic vat so we can have some fresh veggies, fish and oxygen, while also eating up wastewater.

[Amperzand]

Well, I assume we're using full-spectrum lighting to avoid needing vitamin D pills. That being the case, it should be fine.

[VoidSlayer]

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27  - 2 bad planning = 25

* [1/1] Heavy Bot Mech
  - Construction : +5 bonus: Finish the mineral processor
   - Mining : +5 bonus
   - Conversion : +15 bonus to another construction or mining action

* [1/1] Powered Exo-skeleton Constructor Units
   - Construction: -5 penalty + 30 (advanced parts) : Finish the mineral processor.
   - Conversion : +10 bonus to another construction action :

* [2/2] Powered Exo-skeleton Constructor Units
   - Construction : +10 bonus +10 (Machine shop) - 20 (Brave New world) : Finish the domes
   - Conversion : +20 bonus to another construction action

* [2/2]Digging & drilling vehicles.
    - Mining : +10 bonus : Continue drilling according to plan
    - Conversion : +10 to underground or other construction where appropriate

* [2/2] Damage Control & machine shop
    - Maintenance and Repair Action: General maintenance
    - Construction [0/8] : Labor intensive for regular construction
    - Conversion : +10 to another maintenance or Construction action:
    - Art and Sundries [0/1] : Moral bonus

*[1/1] My First Factory kit
   - Construction/production : +20 : Assemble a meatvat kit. The Colony computer has the schematics, right?
   - Engineering action : +0
   - Conversion : +20 to another engineering action or +30 to another construction action :
   - Basic production : Can consume resources to produce basic or advanced parts

* Multi-Chemical Production Facility (choose 1)
        [no manpower] Break down and/or produce chemicals.  Production and energy needed varies.  Basic chemical content will be reported on as well.
        [no manpower] Purify and mix air or water, does not produce new oxygen or water.
               Output depends on how much work is needed to purify, high quantities of sewage or industrial waste water would be considerably slower.  For these purposes this facility would handle grey water while the existing ship systems would handle more difficult waste water.  Two such facilities should be good at least for the current population for water.
        [4/4 manpower] Chemical and material science research slot at +0 (or +10): Research Banded Iron

* [2/2] Medical Bay.
    - Research (Medical) : No bonus : Continue Cryo research.
    - Crisis Mitigation / Healthcare : Reduce impact of critical failures
    - Wake Up Crew: Up to 10 per month, +0 roll with 1 manpower, +20 with 2 manpower.

* [1/4] VR CAD
    - Engineering slot:
    VR Pod bonus Choose 1:
    - Reduce Engineering slot manpower to [0/1]:Continue Geothermal power design (+10 New World)
    - add VR Recreation Slot [0/1]: Moral bonus

* Optronic Central Computer
        Counts as 5 manpower for trivial tasks (can operate 50 trivial facilities)
        Choose 1:
            +30 bonus to one of virtually any construction, engineering, mining, science or maintenance action
            [2/2] Engineering (design only, same as your VR project) slot : +20 : Adapt the shematics for the Biodome to one of our domes   (+20 Natalia, + X Biodiversity bay)

* [0/4] Satellite Survey
    - Exploration action  (+10 bonus) :
    - Conversion : Can provide a +10 bonus to an appropriate mining, engineering or science action.

* [0/24] Manpower action
     - Manpower : Does anything possible at a -20+X modifier, where X is manpower.
     - Conversion : A Manpower action can be converted to a +X bonus to any type of action, where X is the amount of people involved.

* [1/1] Recreational Commons
    Moral bonus

* [1/1] Group Activities (Team cobra special)
    Moral bonus

* Misc Manpower Needs
    - [1/1] Troubleshoot Colony Computer [Usefulness unknown]
    - [3/3] Large Closed Loop Life support
    - [1/1] Duel Core Fusion Reactors :

Bonuses and penalties :

New World
+10 repair and maintenance actions  (Sure it is broken, but if we just move this part over...)
+10 to one engineering and prototyping action per turn  (Everyone brainstorm new ideas)
Resource Efficiency  (We need to do more with less)
-20 to one construction action per turn  (Why am I doing this the old way?)

Natalia Delacruz - A star ship designer who was tasked to lead development of the systems used in the Ark and Outpost ships.  She oversaw the creation of the Ark cryo pods and Expert tested reactors before launch.  Some blame her lax leadership style for the failure of the drop pod project.
  Skunkworks: +20 to one engineering or prototyping action per turn.
  Scheduling Nightmare: -2 manpower

So lets go with bio domes, geothermal and meat vats?

Here is the 6x6 adaptable vehicle design, come up with a name for it?

A66V [150 work (for prototype)]
[2] manpower slot
     Exploration action at +0
     Assist construction or mining 1 slot at +10 or 2 slots at +0
     Note: Eliminate distance penalties for short range ~10 km for any slots/exploration worked on
     Note: Reduced penalties for medium distances ~25 km
     Note: Can reduce penalties for distant buildings and facilities.

*Safety features allow normal operations (no penalties or bonuses to disasters)

Distances are low because these are not the maximum range but reasonable ranges to get work done while moving over rough terrain. 

You can design better exploration, construction or passenger equipment, give it some detail, base difficulty is -10 minimum.

Full update will be laterish.

[tryrar]

Hmm, a name I like would be the "Bradbury" MRV (As in Ray Bradbury). I think unless it's a generic mining vehicle or exo, we should name all our vehicle types after science fiction authors(like our ship is the Asimov)

[10ebbor10]

I'm alright with that.

I'm willing to change the plan (for one, building meatvats and designing a biodome seems a bit redundant), but I don't know what else to replace it with.