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[tryrar]

Ok, the question now becomes do we go with full cement for the dams, or do we stick with using earthworks? That will dictate whether we go with the medium plant or wait until we have another free large dome and then build the large cement mill. Personally, I vote for the medium mill, since we CAN substitute earthworks for cement(and if we build properly they're almost as resistant to quakes as cement dams).

As for the events, I say we eat the morale penalty and get both completed this turn since they're so close, then go to a lighter schedule(which we can afford next turn) to counterbalance it-we can easily leave a 2-3 manpower slot of simply Personal Time. As for transportation, I vote rail. We're not going to get the ability to pave roads for a good long while, and a properly designed light rail system can work wonders moving goods and people from say, the dams to the base and back, or perhaps a more distant mining base delivering more bulk goods(the Bradbury could be for priority shipments). In fact, focus on including transport routes to and proposed and designed secondary facilities outside the main base.

[tryrar]

DP for a couple separate questions: what's the cost in terms of labor to upgrade our current MPF to the large version, and what would be the benefits of doing so? Also, when we do get reliable concrete, how will that affect the cost of surface & CC Domes?

Finally, what's the smallest dome the hydroponics could fit in, at least temporarily? Same question for the med bay, or any system still threatened by the collapse really.

Edit: One last thing: we still could go ahead and make concrete if we press the chem plant and MPF into duty right? If so, would that make building the concrete plant easier? Basically any way we can speed up getting the mill would be appreciated since concrete at this stage is a gamechanger.

[crazyabe]

Ok, the question now becomes do we go with full cement for the dams, or do we stick with using earthworks? That will dictate whether we go with the medium plant or wait until we have another free large dome and then build the large cement mill. Personally, I vote for the medium mill, since we CAN substitute earthworks for cement(and if we build properly they're almost as resistant to quakes as cement dams).

As for the events, I say we eat the morale penalty and get both completed this turn since they're so close, then go to a lighter schedule(which we can afford next turn) to counterbalance it-we can easily leave a 2-3 manpower slot of simply Personal Time. As for transportation, I vote rail. We're not going to get the ability to pave roads for a good long while, and a properly designed light rail system can work wonders moving goods and people from say, the dams to the base and back, or perhaps a more distant mining base delivering more bulk goods(the Bradbury could be for priority shipments). In fact, focus on including transport routes to and proposed and designed secondary facilities outside the main base.

+1

[tryrar]

Actually, thinking on things I say we go for the large mill, the flexibility it gives is too good(plus, it wouldn't be THAT much more work to build the dome at the same time). This would also free up the chem plant to do chem plant things.

[evilcherry]

Do elevators and funiculars qualify as rail?

[Aseaheru]

 Funiculars, yes. Elevators, no.

 And speaking of transport, Im currently thinking rail and ships.

[VoidSlayer]

Team Cobra Outpost

Dec 2110

Old Maps: Not to scale blah blah blah

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

White are possible CCdomes and hydropower
Black are dug out domes and tunnels
Red are to be dug underground tunnels
Purple are already dug tunnels
Light yellow is where the huge excavation would be deeper underground

And I just realized I missed an underground CCdome, should be 3 but whatever close enough

Psychology Card: If You Build It
Team Leader: Natalia Delacruz

SSN Asimov (gray)

Optronic Autopilot with backup system (Satellite uplink controller and backup systems) 3MW
Cryogenic pods (29 persons)
Large Closed Loop Life Support /w hydroponics. (30 awake / 150cryosleep) 10 MW
Multipurpose Care and Habitation Bay 8 MW (maintenance bay removed, several cryo pods deconstructed)
Recreational Commons 1 MW
Large Cargo bay  /w industrial cargo handling system. Warning : Damaged.  Breached. Unstable.
Medium Cargo bay /w industrial cargo handling system
    Biodiversity Bay Setup
Double Core Expert Tested He-3 MCF Fusion generator 35-150 MW electricity .0086 fuel per MW per year
   Reactor 1 offline damaged
   Reactor 2 48/75
Ruined Magnetoplasmadynamic Thruster (scrap)
He-3 Fuel Tank (2.3/24 fuel)
Reserve He-3 Fuel Tank (2/2 fuel)
Reinforced Hull (damaged)

Aurora Base

Surface Domes: (teal)

Large Habitation dome - Sealed Nitrogen/Oxygen atmosphere - My First Factory Kit

Upper level subsurface domes: (navy blue)

Large Prototype CCdome - Sealed Nitrogen/Oxygen atmosphere -
        Algae Tank life Support Sytem (medium)
        Optronic Colony Computer (medium)
                Project Legacy (small) (integrated) (damaged, -40 to further repairs, new computer needed)

CCdome 1 - Large -
        Medium Mineral Processor (medium)
       

CCdome 2 - Large - (full)
        Multi-Chemical Production Facility (medium)
        Multi-Chemical Production Facility (medium) 139/150

CCdome 3 - Large -
        16 person Living Dome 300/325

CCdome 4 - Large -
        Meat Vat (medium)
        Bio Recycler (medium)

Inner ring subsurface domes:

3x large CCdomes (dug out, need construction)

Underground level 1 (Yellow)

Large surface access cavern
        Vehicle bay and Damage Control & machine shop

spiral central access:

Four Small caverns

Three medium caverns
         General storage (2 medium caverns)

Underground Large Cavern 1 (collapsed)

Resources:

Nitrogen/Carbon Dioxide atmosphere (not researched) (limitless)
Rainwater (not researched) (trivial amounts + river)
Scrap Magnetoplasmadynamic Thruster (advanced materials) (sufficient, for now)
Damaged Reinforced Hull (mostly common materials) (Diminishing, amount usable limited by need to continue protecting the hull)
Greenish sand (not researched) (abundant)
Slate debris (not researched) (small but sufficent)
Banded Iron debris (Magnetite, Slate further research at +20) (small but sufficent)
Dark Black-Red mineral (not researched) (small but sufficent)
Densely packed dark sand (small but sufficent)

.4x Advanced Medical Supplies
2.7x Basic Parts
4.2x Advanced Parts
1x Advanced Materials
1.3 months Food
2x Water
1.5x Air Reserves
30x Vac Suits

Required power: 48 MW
Maximum power output: 150 75 MW (Note: Minimum power output is 37.5)
Total fuel: less then 3.9 (Current consumption .416 per year | 9.3 years left at current consumption)

Construction packets :

Vehicles

1*Powered Exo-skeleton Constructor Units
1*Powered Exo-skeleton Constructor Units [One]
1*Digging & drilling vehicles
1*Heavy Bot Mech
1*Bradbury MRV completed.
1*Rebuild single exo suit project 75/175 progress
1*Rebuild Heavy Bot mech 200/450

Crew:
36 awake
1 wounded (1-2 months)
Effective manpower 32
1 restrained (cryo)
4 wounded (cryo)
11 cryo

Life support (for awake crew):
Air recycling and temperature control: 53
Water recycling: 23+chemical plant (sufficient)
Food production and waste recycling: 48

Ark : Survival
Ark Arrival : Jan 2118

Possible Projects:

Distant mineral exploration.

Cavern exploration.

Hydroelectric stations and dam.

Geothermal stations.

Large 16 person habitation facility.

Additional CCdomes: Inner circle near ship, extend outer circle towards canyons or mountains.

Underground base plans completed, any dug out underground areas will follow plan.  Huge, large medium and small caverns can be built, small and medium will create a central access point.

Drainage and rain collection can be added to any base project.  Dedicated storage tanks can be built (just specify size).

Uparmor surface dome.  Can build new surface armored domes.

Research and Development:
Cryogenics Investigation (-30) (+15)
Industrial Coordination (bonus to construction conversions) (-20)
Transportation Solutions (bonus to prototyping new transportation systems, free transport system designs) (-10)

Warning:  Slight crowding in ship


The water and air purifying systems from the ship will take up a medium area, the hydroponics from the ship at least a large dome.

The medical bay would need a medium area, although you could just store the parts.  All the remaining cryogenic pods would need a large dome, just the occupied ones a medium.  Moving the pods would be dangerous.




Turn 17 actions needed:

Normal Actions:

Unassigned Slots 19 manpower available {37 base - 4 (leader) -6 assigned - 7 passive -1 injured)

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

*[0/1] My First Factory kit +20/+30:

* [0/1] Heavy Bot
   - Construction: +5 penalty :
   - Conversion : +15 bonus to another construction action :

* [0/2] Maintenance and Vehicle Bay
    - Maintenance and Repair Action, +10 to repair vehicles:
    - Construction [0/8] : Labor intensive for regular construction
         - Conversion : +10 to another maintenance or Construction action:
    - Art and Sundries [0/1] : Moral bonus

* [2/2] Medical Bay.
    - Research (Medical) : No bonus:
    - Crisis Mitigation / Healthcare : Reduce impact of critical failures
    - Wake Up Crew: Up to 10 per month, +0 roll with 1 manpower, +20 with 2 manpower, +40 with 2 month wake up and 2 crew Waking up 10 crew at +40

*2x Multi-Chemical Production Facility
        [no manpower] Purify and mix air and water
        [no manpower] mix chemicals:
Currently Purifying water

* Optronic Central Computer
        Counts as 5 manpower for trivial tasks (can operate 50 trivial facilities)
        Choose 1:
            +30 bonus to one of virtually any construction, engineering, mining, science or maintenance action
            [2/2] Engineering (design only, same as your VR project) slot at +20:

[0/2]Digging and Drilling Vehicles +10:

* [0/4] Satellite Survey
    - Exploration action  (+10 bonus) :
    - Conversion : Can provide a +10 bonus to an appropriate mining, engineering or science action.


* [0/?] Manpower action
     - Manpower : Does anything possible at a -20+X modifier, where X is manpower.
     - Conversion : A Manpower action can be converted to a +X bonus to any type of action, where X is the amount of people involved.

Available Projects

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

*  Surface Armored Domes (S/M/L/H)
*  Additional CCdomes: Inner circle near ship, extend outer circle towards canyons or mountains. (large)
*  Living Space (S/M/L/H)
*  Hydroelectric stations and dam.
*  Geothermal stations
*  6x6 Bradbury MRV.
*  Underground base plans completed, any dug out underground areas will follow plan.  Huge, large medium and small caverns can be built, small and medium will create a central access point.
*  Drainage and rain collection can be added to any base project.  Dedicated storage tanks can be built (just specify size).
*  Quake proofing can be added to any building or cavern.  New above ground at +5 labor, existing and caves more expensive.
*  Rebuild single exo suit project 75/175 progress
*  Rebuild Heavy Bot mech 200/450
*  Labor Management Office, 1 manpower, small, 100 labor, 1 MW, up to 20 industrial slots managed
*  Ship Tear down Needs at least 2 large domes

*  Distant mineral exploration.
*  Cavern exploration.
*  Geothermal exploration

- Industrial Expert Systems (-50) (fully automated Labor Management)
- Human-Robot Labor Interfacing (-30) (More consistent results from bots)
- Specialized Exo Suits (-30) (several designs for more efficient but limited scope exo suits)
- Manufactorium (-40) (Scaled up (huge) version of the My First Factory Kit)
- Alternative Basic Construction Materials (-10)
- Transportation Solutions (bonus to prototyping new transportation systems, free transport - system designs) (-10)
- Cryogenic Damage Repair (-60) not possible without advanced medical facilities
- Bio-Fuels research can be developed at -20
- Bio-Plastics research can be developed at -30
- Experimental Glass can now be researched at -50
- Experimental Metals can now be researched at -50
- Alternative Smelting Techniques can be researched at -50

- Nitrogen/Carbon Dioxide atmosphere (not researched) (limitless)
- Rainwater (not researched) (trivial amounts + river)
- Greenish sand (Copper-silicates) (abundant)
- Dark Black-Red mineral (not researched) (small but sufficient)
- Densely packed dark sand (small but sufficient)

Assigned Slots 6 manpower

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

[1/4] VR CAD
    - Engineering slot:Transportation Solutions
    VR Pod bonus Choose 1:
   - Reduce Engineering slot manpower to [0/1]
    - add VR Recreation Slot [0/1]: Moral bonus

* [1/1] Powered Exo-skeleton Constructor Units
   - Construction: -5 penalty : Build Chem plant Kit from parts 85/150
   - Conversion : +10 bonus to another construction action :

* [2/2] Powered Exo-skeleton Constructor Units
   - Construction : +10 bonus : Large Living Dome 154/325
   - Conversion : +20 bonus to another construction action

* [2/2] Bradbury MRV
     Exploration action at +0
    Assist construction or mining 1 slot at +10 or 2 slots at +0 assisting CCdomes and Large living dome
     Note: Eliminate distance penalties for short range ~10 km for any slots/exploration worked on
     Note: Reduced penalties for medium distances ~25 km
     Note: Can allow long distances which would otherwise be impossible ~100 km
     Note: Can reduce penalties for distant buildings and facilities.

* Medium Mineral Processing Facility MPF
      [1 manpower] for general production; +5 to basic construction or +10 to advanced materials construction(these will be more difficult to make anyway) to one project. Eliminate relevant material related penalties to 2 projects. Support Exos by processing banded iron
       [2 manpower] Geology and Material Sciences science slot at +0

Passive Slots 7 manpower

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

* Multi-Chemical Production Facility
        [no manpower] Purify and mix air and water

* [1/1] Recreational Commons
    Moral bonus

* [1/1] Group Activities (Team cobra special)
    Moral bonus

* [1/1] Meat vat Food for 20 10 people
* [0/1] Troubleshoot Colony Computer [Usefulness unknown]
* [3/3] Large Closed Loop Life support
* [1/1] Duel Core Fusion Reactors : 1 running, 1 may be damaged

Bonuses and penalties :

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Sandstorm
-20 to all surface work
Distances increased by one step.  Adjacent buildings are now a short distance away, giving a -10 penalty.

Natalia Delacruz
  Skunkworks: +20 to one engineering or prototyping action per turn.  +10 to all other engineering or prototyping actions.
  Scheduling Nightmare: -10% rounded up manpower (-3 currently)
  Site Manager: +20 to one construction or industrial action
  Overstretched: +5 bonus to any action (besides manpower) at the cost of 1 extra manpower.  Up to 4 per project.

If You Build It
Barn Raising: One construction action at +20
Industrial Priority: +10 to all other construction actions
And the kitchen sink: Resource inefficiency

[VoidSlayer]

Industrial scale elevators are a certain thing if you dig down deeper but at the moment they would be of limited usefulness.  There are really two separate underground bases right next to each other right now, each with one sloped entrance with an airlock.

A sled or all terrain wheeled funicular might not be a bad idea if you need a long distance base up a steep incline.  You have materials with enough strength in theory.

Also the three large CC domes are ready for construction I missed that.

[tryrar]

As well, the action queue should reflect we went with the punishing schedule to clear out the construction queue early, so all exos and bots should be free. I'll adjust that in my action proposal

[tryrar]

Spoiler: Unassigned Slots (click to show/hide)

[2/1] My First Factory kit +20/+30:Conversion:support cement mill by machining parts.(+5 overstretched)

* [1/1] Powered Exo-skeleton Constructor Units
   - Construction: -5 penalty :
   - Conversion : +10 bonus to another construction action:Support Exos

* [3/2] Powered Exo-skeleton Constructor Units
   - Construction : +10 bonus: Build Large cement mill+CC dome(+20 Site manager, +20 Barn Raising, +5 Overstretched)
   - Conversion : +20 bonus to another construction action

* [2/1] Heavy Bot
   - Construction: +5 bonus: Start moving ship water and air recycling systems to free medium cave(+5 overstreched, +10 industrial priority)
   - Conversion : +15 bonus to another construction action :

* [2/2] Maintenance and Vehicle Bay
    - Maintenance and Repair Action, +10 to repair vehicles:repair broken heavy bot using basic and advanced parts
    - Construction [0/8] : Labor intensive for regular construction
         - Conversion : +10 to another maintenance or Construction action:
    - Art and Sundries [0/1] : Moral bonus

* [2/2] Medical Bay.
    - Research (Medical) : No bonus:
    - Crisis Mitigation / Healthcare : Reduce impact of critical failures
    - Wake Up Crew: Up to 10 per month, +0 roll with 1 manpower, +20 with 2 manpower, +40 with 2 month wake up and 2 crew Waking up 10 crew at +40

*2x Multi-Chemical Production Facility
        [no manpower] Purify and mix air and water
        [no manpower] mix chemicals:
Currently Purifying water

* Optronic Central Computer
        Counts as 5 manpower for trivial tasks (can operate 50 trivial facilities)
        Choose 1:
            +30 bonus to one of virtually any construction, engineering, mining, science or maintenance action
            [2/2] Engineering (design only, same as your VR project) slot at +20: Design an advanced Command and Control facility I'll call the Colony Central Command. It combines the fonctionality of the colony computer, the industrial office, a drone controller, and an advanced, automated satellite down-link and comm relay facility, all hopefully fitting in a large cave.(+10 Skunkworks)

[2/2]Digging and Drilling Vehicles +10:Dig large cave connecting spiral shaft to rest of base, then dig a branch off the spiral shaft that has 3 large caves(one specially dug so it can be completely isolated and act as the eventual location of the LSL), and a medium cave. Basically everything from the ship(including the biobay set up in the LSL cave) is going here with room for more caves to be dug as needed.
* [0/4] Satellite Survey
    - Exploration action  (+10 bonus) :
    - Conversion : Can provide a +10 bonus to an appropriate mining, engineering or science action.


* [2/?] Manpower action
     - Manpower : Does anything possible at a -20+X modifier, where X is manpower:Personal Time
     - Conversion : A Manpower action can be converted to a +X bonus to any type of action, where X is the amount of people involved.

Spoiler: Changes to assigned slots: (click to show/hide)

* [2/2] Bradbury MRV
     Exploration action at +0
    Assist construction or mining 1 slot at +10 or 2 slots at +0: Support concrete mill construction
     Note: Eliminate distance penalties for short range ~10 km for any slots/exploration worked on
     Note: Reduced penalties for medium distances ~25 km
     Note: Can allow long distances which would otherwise be impossible ~100 km
     Note: Can reduce penalties for distant buildings and facilities.

* Medium Mineral Processing Facility MPF
      [1 manpower] for general production; +5 to basic construction or +10 to advanced materials construction(these will be more difficult to make anyway) to one project. Eliminate relevant material related penalties to 2 projects.
       [2 manpower] Geology and Material Sciences science slot at +0: Analyze Kara's water composition

I know I'm throwing the kitchen sink at getting the concrete plant done, but with that finished we'll have much more breathing room in the context of basic building materials and can focus on other things


Eid edit:Changed digging action to more caves so we can house the systems from the ship immediately.

[VoidSlayer]

Did you want to add quake proofing to all future construction?

[Aseaheru]

Yes, we do.

[tryrar]

Yes, we do.

Yup. Assume so unless we specifically say otherwise for some reason

[tryrar]

So guys, comments, criticisms, feedback on my plan?

[Amperzand]

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