Alright, my collective case for ATH.
PPE: This took really long. I think I'm going to more or less tone out ATH because I'm frankly tired of rifting through his poorly-formatted posts (not his fault, I know) and pinning more on him. I'll be happy do discuss any points here or anywhere, but I'm going to bed.
First off, changing claims very quickly, both in results (though likely a mod mistake/timing thing/his incompetence) and saying who he targeted.
I'M ALIVE! cue dancing
Yeah i didn't receive any results so the jailor had to have jailed me
So the question is how should we procced to find scum?
Ask some questions, really. Read over D1 with the knowledge that Roo is town, try to work from there.
Who did you target and why, ATH?
You
Becuase your active and i don't want to risk the town being lead by scum your very influential among the players and i dident suspect you so i reread your posts you seemed off to me and i don't know why and becuase of that feeling I'm gonna be watching you and anyone who sides with you for the slightest trace of scuminess.
Oh and nevermind
Hector13 i didn't actually investigate you thats what i get for not saving pms i send
Actually i investigated Tomasque he is Innocent/not mafia
Ah. Who reminded you to say that?
the GMs pm dident go through. And i only got the results a minute or two ago
So why did you target Tomasque then, ATH?
his posting i felt he didn't try and contribute anything and his early posts just seemed scummy when i reread his posts I'm happy that he turned up town.
Next, NJW sums it up fairly well:
Right...
So... either the mafia didn't attack, or - if we have a jailor - they blocked whoever performed the NK.
Or ATH is lying.
correct so if we have a jailor and know whi they held we have a scum captured or alternatively the mafia dident attack which i find unlikely.
And yes their is every possibility I'm lying you must always be prepared for deceit but if you trust my word
I'm not lying
So... ATH.
You just switched from
"Didn't go through" due to jailor: (quote)
To: "no, I won't give my read on you in better detail. I actually tried it on someone else, and it worked, the GM just told me after he did the post!" (quote)
This is a tiny bit dodgy, for a d1 copclaimer, unless I'm much mistaken?
I'd bust out the pm if that was allowed
ATH And is your only response "I'll bust out the PMs?" If it is, that's a stain on my read on you.
He then proceeds to suggest finding the jailor.
Why is finding the jailor so important?
if the jailor roleblocked the mafia n1 then if we know who tge jailor is we can lynch the scum they blocked last night.
Apparently he is suspicious of the player he cleared?
i suspect you becuase
1 your one of the most active players
2 I'm worried that a lot of people in this game blindly follow you it doesn't look like people have really questioned or been suspicious of you
3 you give out most of the information i feel that the town is using if your scum you have the town wrapped around your finger
4 i just get an uneasy feeling around your posts
So i mainly suspect you becuase i feel if your scum you could easily doom the town and my intuition and my gut tell me to be extremely wary of you .
(Njw2000 reasons i need to collect my thoughts a little more to explain it in words give me 10 or 20 minutes)
His reasons for voting NJW and suspicions on hector (initially) are this. Hector kinda sums it up...
ATH: let's have those justifications on me, mmm-hmm?
you feel like you just don't care and rarely talk you feel like scum just trying to divert attention from themselves and you've done or at the very least tried barely at all or not all to scumhunt you seem like you don't care i feel your scum
NJW2000
about hector13 I'm strongly suspicious becuase he is in my eyes the most active player.
So I'm quite frankly worried if he's scum he could lead the town to their doom.
so i don't necessarily believe he is scum but he is soneone i need to examine their future posts more carefully.
You [NJW - quoter's notes] not posting much and anyone not posting much is bad for town becuase it makes it harder to get a read on you and tell if your scum i feel you haven't contributed much and would like to see you post more so i can properly analyze you.
I found a way to quote but i can only quote one quote from a previous page but this post is where i started to get a bad feeling and looking at it i don't understand why exactly basically i suspect you but reading through your posts you don't seem suspicious i mean sometimes your posts are just fluff instead of content but i feel thats a null tell I'm also slightly guilty of this at least i feel like everyonce and a while my posts are fluff instead of useful content so i think I'm suspicious of you simply becuase if your scum you could lead the town to its death.
So you suspect me but you don't think I'm suspicious, though you're suspicious of me because I could lead the town to its death. And you're voting for NJW. Right.
Anyway, you've managed to pinpoint a post you found off, now you have to pinpoint what about the post is off.
Next he asks a few good questions, and a few crowdsourcing ones.
Questins for townies
Do you believe I'm cop?
Who feels most suspicious?
Why was their no scum kill night 1?
Who feels most town?
Who do you think i should investigate/inspect (if you believe I'm cop)?
To me, the "crowdsourcing" ones (who feels most suspicious/town) - these are more helpful to scum, because the questions let them be lazy and go with someone else's reads, or get alerted beforehand to possible suspicion against them. Plus these "what does everyone think" questions are lazy.
To be fair, asking everyone for reads is totally normal. However, asking many questions and pretending it's scumhunting isn't.
Oh, what's this? Either a quick change of pace or... I don't even know.
i consider hector13 the leader of the town becuase he's obe of the most frequent posters and he's the one to start a discussion or conversation he starts most conversations and he could have led the town into lynching roo but i don't believe he's solely to blame for that some of that blame rests on me and njw i believe he was the one who mentioned the soft "roleclaim" roo was doing i highly doubt that was roos imtention with what we know now.
So, uh. My thoughts on this post... (numbers - mine)
1. Tolyk if you think I'm scum vote me try and pressure me
2. also take into account i inspected shakerag (tomasque) night 1 and said my inspection results were town/not mafia
3. do you believe that why or why not?
4. Second why do you think I'm scum and who could i be working with?
Everyone:
5. do you agree with TolyK?
6. Why or why not?
7. If not say who you think is scum and why.
1. I was voting him from nearly right after he changed his claim twice. He apparently missed this.
2. I already commented on this: This tells me nearly nothing until you're actually dead. On the chance you're the real cop who messed up big-time, that confirms Shakerag as town (which is good, since he's good
). If you're scum... there is thinking and looking to be done.
3. I believe the whole thing is either true or false, more likely false.
4. I'll get back in a second.
5, 6. Yes, because I have one personality (in contrast to our IC's here
). This looks like yet another question that benefits scum more.
7. You, and probably someone ambivalent towards you. Why?
This whole mess you made D1 and the content you keep putting out basically muddies the waters, and if you're scum that greatly benefits your partner. Plus, (given you're mafia) you've ascertained that there is likely no cop (and/or that counterclaims will likely be lynched at this point, which gives you an extra night before being lynched) and that STILL gives little to no information on your partner. So the tactic would be:
Fakeclaim Cop -> Possibly lynch real cop (which almost happened - Roo could have well been a cop, given his semi-claim and such) -> Keep with the act, if it works. If it didn't, it would let your partner bus you to hell and possibly clutch (p.s. 4masked play described
), though the chances of someone counterclaiming for real would be slim.
This obviously requires a fairly skilled partner to pull off, but... jeez. I dunno. Conspiracy theories are fun and all, but I really feel you're scum.
Q. E. D.
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